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MAKAVELI

Well-Known Member
I have - miscellaneous excerpts below regarding banning types of guns and carry:

"Some have made the argument, bordering on the frivolous, that only those arms in existence in the 18th century are protected by the Second Amendment . We do not interpret constitutional rights that way. Just as the First Amendment protects modern forms of communications, e.g., Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union, 521 U. S. 844, 849 (1997) , and the Fourth Amendment applies to modern forms of search, e.g., Kyllo v. United States, 533 U. S. 27, 35–36 (2001) , the Second Amendment extends, prima facie,to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding."

"At the time of the founding, as now, to “bear” meant to “carry.” See Johnson 161; Webster; T. Sheridan, A Complete Dictionary of the English Language (1796); 2 Oxford English Dictionary 20 (2d ed. 1989) (hereinafter Oxford). When used with “arms,” however, the term has a meaning that refers to carrying for a particular purpose—confrontation. In Muscarello v. United States, 524 U. S. 125 (1998) , in the course of analyzing the meaning of “carries a firearm” in a federal criminal statute, Justice Ginsburg wrote that “Surely a most familiar meaning is, as the Constitution’s Second Amendment … indicate: ‘wear, bear, or carry … upon the person or in the clothing or in a pocket, for the purpose … of being armed and ready for offensive or defensive action in a case of conflict with another person.’ ” Id., at 143 (dissenting opinion) (quoting Black’s Law Dictionary 214 (6th ed. 1998)). We think that Justice Ginsburg accurately captured the natural meaning of “bear arms.” Although the phrase implies that the carrying of the weapon is for the purpose of “offensive or defensive action,” it in no way connotes participation in a structured military organization."

" c. Meaning of the Operative Clause. Putting all of these textual elements together, we find that they guarantee the individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation. This meaning is strongly confirmed by the historical background of the Second Amendment . We look to this because it has always been widely understood that the Second Amendment , like the First and Fourth Amendment s, codified a pre-existing right. The very text of the Second Amendment implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and declares only that it “shall not be infringed.” As we said in United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 553 (1876) , “[t]his is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The Second amendment declares that it shall not be infringed … .”16"

" It is therefore entirely sensible that the
Second Amendment ’s prefatory clause announces the purpose for which the right was codified: to prevent elimination of the militia. The prefatory clause does not suggest that preserving the militia was the only reason Americans valued the ancient right; most undoubtedly thought it even more important for self-defense and hunting."

"Miller said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those “in common use at the time."


The Heller decision was geared towards Heller asking for relief to have handguns in the home so the decision allowed that. Don't mis-judge the specific relief Heller asked for as being the entirety of the 2nd amendment's protections. The decision clearly laid the case for carry of some sort, whether open or concealed, and for the right to keep and bear arms that are in common usage, like the AR-15.

Please provide specifics to anything that says otherwise.
All that and we can't falsely yell fire in a crowded theater.;)
 

soberups

Pees in the brown Koolaid
How about magazines legally purchased that are going to be illegal to own or possess on Jan. 1, 2017.

Same principle.

People purchased them while they were legal to buy and own.

Jan. 1, they are illegal to own.

No compensation, no trade in, you are just SOL when it comes to the money spent to purchase those magazines?

And the $50 once a year background check to purchase ammo?

Poor people may not be able to afford this.

Is the state going to subsidize their background checks?

Are they going to be credited $50 once a year on their EBT cards.

Isn't government great?
Drive up here to Oregon, go to a gun show with all your high capacity magazines in a bag, and carry a "for sale" sign with prices listed on it. Use the money to buy bulk ammo. Do it soon, because we now have a :censored2: anti-gun majority in both houses as well as an anti gun governor, so when they convene again in 2017 we gun owners will be taking up the keister because they will have the votes to pass the same stupid laws that are hitting CA.
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
Drive up here to Oregon, go to a gun show with all your high capacity magazines in a bag, and carry a "for sale" sign with prices listed on it. Use the money to buy bulk ammo. Do it soon, because we now have a :censored2: anti-gun majority in both houses as well as an anti gun governor, so when they convene again in 2017 we gun owners will be taking up the keister because they will have the votes to pass the same stupid laws that are hitting CA.

Yes, Mr. Paranoid . The government is coming for your arsenal. Jesus.
 
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