I drink your milkshake! a metaphor for capitalism

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its the employers fault, not the workers.

capitalism, like slavery and state communism, is not a perfect system.

the ones who bust their butt usually dont have a class consciousness.
How is it the employers fault? If they say, I will give you $20 an hour for you to do X, Y, and Z, and you agree to it, how are they wrong?
 

rickyb

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How is it the employers fault? If they say, I will give you $20 an hour for you to do X, Y, and Z, and you agree to it, how are they wrong?
bc theyre paying me by the hour regardless of how much i pretend to work. the employer needs to find a way to incentivize workers to stop pretending to work. 1989 rec'd micromanaging. fear could be another option. paid by my productivity could be another.

the employer is the one pushing a failed system like state communism was, not me.
 

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bc theyre paying me by the hour regardless of how much i pretend to work. the employer needs to find a way to incentivize workers to stop pretending to work. 1989 rec'd micromanaging. fear could be another option. paid by my productivity could be another.

the employer is the one pushing a failed system like state communism was, not me.
You are an adult. Why would you need fear to motivate you? You’re not in India with a boss standing over you with stick in hand. They incentivize you by paying you the agreed upon amount by the hour. If you’re not performing as YOU agreed, that is YOUR failing, not theirs.
 

rickyb

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You are an adult. Why would you need fear to motivate you? You’re not in India with a boss standing over you with stick in hand. They incentivize you by paying you the agreed upon amount by the hour. If you’re not performing as YOU agreed, that is YOUR failing, not theirs.
well its a poor incentive if you want to call it that. its cause and effect. we can agree to contracts and terms all day, but if theyre not working out, then who or what is to blame?

id imagine theres alot in common between north america and india.
 

rickyb

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You are an adult. Why would you need fear to motivate you? You’re not in India with a boss standing over you with stick in hand. They incentivize you by paying you the agreed upon amount by the hour. If you’re not performing as YOU agreed, that is YOUR failing, not theirs.
for example: you can set whatever ridiculous terms you like, and i can agree to them regardless of me being honest or not, and if i fail where does the blame lie?

if your terms are ridiculous enough, then no one will be able to achieve them.
 

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for example: you can set whatever ridiculous terms you like, and i can agree to them regardless of me being honest or not, and if i fail where does the blame lie?

if your terms are ridiculous enough, then no one will be able to achieve them.
If you receive no training to help you fulfill the terms, it’s on the employer. If you fail just because you don’t feel like it or you’re too dense to pass the training, it’s on you.
 

rickyb

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If you receive no training to help you fulfill the terms, it’s on the employer. If you fail just because you don’t feel like it or you’re too dense to pass the training, it’s on you.
or maybe the employer is setting terms so high that no one can succeed. and then its solely the employers fault. they can set unachievable terms, train the worker, and the worker will fail because the terms were unachievable to begin with.
 

rickyb

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alot of people dont realize it, but the middle class is dead in any city with expensive real estate

lending money drives up prices which leads to more borrowed money which leads to higher prices...:

Steve Saretsky‏ @SteveSaretsky 21h21 hours ago




Bank profits are largely generated by mortgage loans. That hasn’t always been the case but it’s a big reason why you can’t afford a home. http://www.cityam.com/266043/blame-bank-finance-caused-todays-housing-crisis …

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rickyb

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weve been lied to very badly, and continue to be:

Black Socialists of America‏ @BlackSocialists 23h23 hours ago



Black Socialists of America Retweeted Saagar Enjeti

This is outright disinformation.

Another reason why Leftist organizations need to get on the same page about the terms that they’re using.

Mere state ownership is NOT “Socialism.”

A socialist society is a society in which workers democratically control the means of production.

Black Socialists of America added,


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Saagar EnjetiVerified account @esaagar
White House releases a 55 page report on the Opportunity Costs of Socialism https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/The-Opportunity-Costs-of-Socialism.pdf
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1989

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well its a poor incentive if you want to call it that. its cause and effect. we can agree to contracts and terms all day, but if theyre not working out, then who or what is to blame?

id imagine theres alot in common between north america and india.
The blame lies solely upon the one who did not fulfill their end of the contract. when you are old enough for responsibility, you might understand.
 

vantexan

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or maybe the employer is setting terms so high that no one can succeed. and then its solely the employers fault. they can set unachievable terms, train the worker, and the worker will fail because the terms were unachievable to begin with.
Employers aren't laying traps for employees. They want you to succeed so that they succeed. Sounds like you're making excuses for your own failures.
 

vantexan

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sure they do. ive worked in unsafe work places.
OK Ricky, have it your way. Companies aren't interested in making money. They started their businesses so that they could lure unsuspecting innocents in to eff with their lives. They don't want you to be come as efficient and productive as possible. It's fun to see you stumble through your day and they give high fives all around when you hurt yourself on the job. Happy now?
 
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