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In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
So it's our responsibility to pay the central?

Nobody is paying for any of the Central's pension increases, UPS has total control...any Monetary Contributions will be given annually just to cover their pension obligations...

The IBT/UPS Pension Plan does not receive any weekly Monetary Contributions from UPS, any improvements in that plan has to through UPS and their trustees. Those under West or DC will see their pensions grow according and UPS will not have any say or control over them except to continue to pay their weekly (over 800 dollars a week) pension obligations.
 

542thruNthru

Well-Known Member
Imagine the central getting a smaller raise than the west because it's more expensive to live out here and us saying.. "we're just trying to close the gap and make it fair..."

It's not the rest of the nation's fault you guys can seem to manager your books even with bailout and bailout. Put that lower cost of living money into your 401k if you need more for retirement.
 

Thebrownblob

Well-Known Member
Imagine the central getting a smaller raise than the west because it's more expensive to live out here and us saying.. "we're just trying to close the gap and make it fair..."

It's not the rest of the nation's fault you guys can seem to manager your books even with bailout and bailout. Put that lower cost of living money into your 401k if you need more for retirement.
Listen, we got hookers and blow to pay for. It’s not cheap. 😂
I’ve maxed my 401k out last 16 years
 
That flier you posted seems to say that there will be new money coming in and that your pensions will increase.
It clearly states that they don't know what the increase will be this year, "but it will definitely be less." That is unacceptable. If they can afford a $.50 increase every year before this, they can afford it this contract. That's a concession, and it's not just for us out here.

Per our localz our contribution increases ~$.25/hr this year, and every year after that "we'll see." :censored2: that, you lost my vote.
 

Wally

BrownCafe Innovator & King of Puns
Imagine the central getting a smaller raise than the west because it's more expensive to live out here and us saying.. "we're just trying to close the gap and make it fair..."

It's not the rest of the nation's fault you guys can seem to manager your books even with bailout and bailout. Put that lower cost of living money into your 401k if you need more for retirement.
Affirmative Action is the way I see it. Our local unlike the Central actually sacrificed to improve our pensions bottom line.
 
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ManInBrown

Well-Known Member
This will be long. I’m sorry.

I’ll start out telling everyone, I have worked at brown since the early 2000’s. I’m a FT driver for about 10 years and I was PT before that.

I am like most of you, disappointed in the fact, the company did not do anything special for us after the past couple of years. I’m not surprised, since I’ve been around long enough for the turkeys. We were heroes to them, the shareholders, and our communities. Having that being stated, we could have been at home drawing unemployment, like many workers across America at the time. Digging themselves into financial hardships. So, in some ways we should be grateful that wasn’t us.

On to this contract, regardless to the way some perceive it. I think it is a fair contract. Could it be better? Yes, we all know the company is rolling in money. They can afford to pay us all the $7.50 extra from day one of ratification. The a/c, heat shields, fans those are all write offs. I’m afraid some of my hello fresh customers may one day be disappointed that their meals will no longer arrive precooked for them.

For part timers, from comments I’ve read on here and comments on YouTube videos like RoswellHub, you all seem to be upset the most about the contract. Mainly due to the fact new hires earning almost the same as you from ratification. I get that. But what I think what a lot have failed to see is that over the life of this pending contract, that new hire hired in starts at $21 will only receive a $.50 raise each year up to $23 by the end of the contract. That is $2 over that 5 years. Where you will be given $4.75 over the rest of the contract after you get the initial $2.75 or more to reach $21, plus the up to $1.50 longevity raise if you qualify. As you can see, over the course you will earn more than them over the contract. Maybe they should have front loaded the raises, but this way it rewards the ones that are here longer. Remember if you need more hours now you will get dibs on pvd work for the holidays for some extra cash. How many of you plan on making a career out of this? How many are here for spending money to get thru college, or are utilizing tuition reimbursements? The majority of career part timers are here for the benefits. If you aren’t planning on being here thru the life of the contract, does your opinion really matter? I think that is a fair question.

For the converting 22.4’s, it will get better for you. Does a 4 year progression suck? Yes, it does. Ask around your building to all of your drivers. The majority of them went through 4, you might find a few along the way, that only did 2 years. Keep in mind you are starting out close to, if not more, than what they topped out back then. I know, I know, things are expensive. My money doesn’t go as far as it used to. Even with the $7.50 over the contract, $49 won’t have the same spending power as the $37-38 I made a few years back. That is the way it has been and will continue to be until something changes with fiat currency. My advice don’t live beyond your means. It is not always about how much money you make, it is what you do with it. Ours jobs provide us with a livable wage, even through progression in most parts of the country.
On a side note, I voted NO on the last contract because I knew the company would abuse your classification. I have also stated and still believe the UPS should pay extra for anyone working on Saturdays, and if they start Sunday operations, I will say the same thing.

If this contract gets voted down, I feel as if the public will see us as the babies some of us are. Myself included. In some ways, I was hoping we would strike for more multiple reasons like helping brick and mortar businesses. That and I could have stayed cooler on a strike line, than in that rolling sauna we call package cars.

Like I said before I think it is a fair deal. I encourage everyone to look over it multiple times and make the decision for themselves and their families.
Perfectly stated, I feel the same way. Once I saw the details I wasn’t thrilled but I still think it’s fair. it would’ve been nice to throw us something for working thru Covid. Also would’ve been nice if PTers got a really big bump instead of what they got.
 

Thebrownblob

Well-Known Member
Affirmative Action is the way I see it. Our local unlike the Central actually sacrificed to improve our pensions bottom line.
Really?

“In 2003, The Trustees quickly took corrective action with a multifaceted approach that included reducing new benefit accruals on all active participants and increasing contribution revenue on all participating employers:



  • The Trustees cut benefits on the active participants, including eliminating “and-out” early retirement benefits and cutting the accrual rate in half.
  • The Trustees instituted mandatory contribution rate increases for participating employers even before such increases were mandated by the Pension Protection Act of 2006 for all financially distressed plans.
  • The Trustees also reallocated contribution rate increases negotiated in large national collective bargaining agreements for health benefits (Central States Health Fund) to the Pension Fund.


The reallocation of Health Fund contributions to the Pension Fund was a significant factor in stabilizing the Pension Fund’s finances at that time. The International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT), working with the negotiators of all national contracts (UPS, NMF and NMATA contracts), agreed to reallocate the health benefit increases to the Pension Fund. This reallocation contributed close to $1 billion in additional contributions to the Pension Fund.”
 

Trucker Clock

Well-Known Member
It clearly states that they don't know what the increase will be this year, "but it will definitely be less." That is unacceptable. If they can afford a $.50 increase every year before this, they can afford it this contract. That's a concession, and it's not just for us out here.

Per our localz our contribution increases ~$.25/hr this year, and every year after that "we'll see." :censored2: that, you lost my vote.

You're already hitting that range where you will make more money being retired than working. Your pension will go up again. They just don't know how much yet.
 
You're already hitting that range where you will make more money being retired than working. Your pension will go up again. They just don't know how much yet.
My pension isn't based on the growth of the fund, it's based on contributions over time. Short my contributions and short my retirement potential.
 

Trucker Clock

Well-Known Member
My pension isn't based on the growth of the fund, it's based on contributions over time. Short my contributions and short my retirement potential.

So you think it is OK to make more money being retired than what you made working if your retirement is not based on growth, just contributions?
 
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