Influenza And Mask Science

[Non sequitur]

damage done

 

[rickyb]

Corporations are a pretty recent development, from a historical perspective. You can say they concentrate too much power, and that might be true. In the US, corporations used to be limited to forming for a single purpose, such as to build a bridge, or a limited duration, such as a year or two.

so youre indifferent as to whether "capitalism" is top down controlled or worker controlled?

 

[zubenelgenubi]

so youre indifferent as to whether "capitalism" is top down controlled or worker controlled?

How do workers not have control? You don't like how a place is run, vote against it by working elsewhere. You can frame any situation however you want to make it seem like your opinion on it holds any water. But, the further out of line with reality your views are, the worse your decisions will be.

 

[rickyb]

How do workers not have control? You don't like how a place is run, vote against it by working elsewhere. You can frame any situation however you want to make it seem like your opinion on it holds any water. But, the further out of line with reality your views are, the worse your decisions will be.

because you are taking orders all day its a choice of dictatorship not a choice of democracy. do you not agree with that?

 

[zubenelgenubi]

because you are taking orders all day its a choice of dictatorship not a choice of democracy. do you not agree with that?

I've had jobs where I made all my own decisions. If you value that sort of freedom, prove you are capable and get a job where you answer to yourself, if you don't want to start your own business.

 

[rickyb]

I've had jobs where I made all my own decisions. If you value that sort of freedom, prove you are capable and get a job where you answer to yourself, if you don't want to start your own business.

you take orders at UPS its top down in case your unaware. what do you think people do in political dictatorships? its the same .

 

[zubenelgenubi]

you take orders at UPS its top down in case your unaware. what do you think people do in political dictatorships? its the same .

Yep, I chose to work here because of better pay and benefits. I did enjoy the other job more, though. I could put in for management if I wanted, but I don't. I have other plans, and working at UPS is a means to other ends. If I had no goals or imagination, and my options were limited, I could understand seeing things the way you do. Doesn't make your perspective any more accurate, though.

 

[rickyb]

Yep, I chose to work here because of better pay and benefits. I did enjoy the other job more, though. I could put in for management if I wanted, but I don't. I have other plans, and working at UPS is a means to other ends. If I had no goals or imagination, and my options were limited, I could understand seeing things the way you do. Doesn't make your perspective any more accurate, though.

i think chomsky compares corporations to the command and control economy of the soviet union. but even top down capitalist should be pretty similar. im being honest, capitalism has nothing to do with what you said. alot of talented imaginative ppl see things the same way i do LOL. just depends on your understanding of what an economic tyranny looks like vs economic democracy. alot of ppl have problems accepting hte fact that theyve been lied to very badly.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

i think chomsky compares corporations to the command and control economy of the soviet union. but even top down capitalist should be pretty similar. im being honest, capitalism has nothing to do with what you said. alot of talented imaginative ppl see things the same way i do LOL. just depends on your understanding of what an economic tyranny looks like vs economic democracy. alot of ppl have problems accepting hte fact that theyve been lied to very badly.

Let me ask you, all the people you listen to, they all doing pretty well, financially? Know why that is? Here's a hint, it's not because they live under a socialist system. There are a lot of fantasy writers who are talented and imaginative, Tolkein, Lewis, Carroll.

Writing about a world not all that different from ours, where some magical thing makes it slightly different, is pretty run of the mill as far as fantasy writing is concerned. And the fact that the guys you read all use socialism as the magic thing that works in this made up world of theirs makes them all pretty unoriginal.

The problem is that they make their money off all you folks who think they are writing about reality, and they encourage that, better for sales. They don't want capitalism to end, they make too much money from it, and they would have to actually put in some effort creating an original bad guy to write about.

 

[rickyb]

Let me ask you, all the people you listen to, they all doing pretty well, financially? Know why that is? Here's a hint, it's not because they live under a socialist system. There are a lot of fantasy writers who are talented and imaginative, Tolkein, Lewis, Carroll.

Writing about a world not all that different from ours, where some magical thing makes it slightly different, is pretty run of the mill as far as fantasy writing is concerned. And the fact that the guys you read all use socialism as the magic thing that works in this made up world of theirs makes them all pretty unoriginal.

The problem is that they make their money off all you folks who think they are writing about reality, and they encourage that, better for sales. They don't want capitalism to end, they make too much money from it, and they would have to actually put in some effort creating an original bad guy to write about.

i dont really read fantasy writers. ive never read LOTR. ive seen it, matrix, star wars, james cameron stuff. george lucas calls it common sense. i agree. common sense tells me that if we believe in democracy then we should practice it at the jobs like coops.


most of the guys i listen to are teachers and journalists. some are economists. richard wolff has some kind of cooperative thing going on. i think them living in rich countries has something to do with their success. its much harder replicating it when you live in a poor capitalist country. yea they do want capitalism to end because they understand under worker control they will still make money maybe even more because everyone will have higher incomes instead of the 10% of the pop who owns 90% of the stock market. u falsely think they cant write books under a worker controlled economic system and your wrong. george lucas even said the east has more freedom in its creativity regarding movies than the west. if capitalism ended they would continue to speak out against injustice.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

u falsely think they cant write books under a worker controlled economic system and your wrong.

Is that what I think? Where did you get that idea?

george lucas even said the east has more freedom in its creativity regarding movies than the west.

Bollywood?

if capitalism ended they would continue to speak out against injustice.

Yeah, the injustice of democratic worker controlled economic systems.

 

[rickyb]

Is that what I think? Where did you get that idea?



Bollywood?


Yeah, the injustice of democratic worker controlled economic systems.

some people prefer tyranny.

look it up.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

some people prefer tyranny.

look it up.

Your definition of tyranny.

 

[rickyb]

Your definition of tyranny.

whats google say?

 

[zubenelgenubi]

whats google say?

I agree, Google is tyrannical. Are you relying on an evil capitalistic corporation to define words for you? What's Chomsky's definition of tyranny, and his evidence that some people prefer it?

Back on topic, I can see that many people prefer the tyranny of incompetent, corrupt, government officials telling them to wear masks, even though the data doesn't support it. They want other people to protect them from other people. So sad people believe corrupt government officials.

 

[Babagounj]

My Governor (Rinho) Baker has worked out a deal with COVID-19.
As of next week some more business activities will be allowed.
Like using a Dressing Room in a store.
It's still too deadly until the agreed upon date with COVID-19 takes effect.
Bars will now all be restaurants because they must serve food to allow one to sit at the bar.
Groups sizes will increase from 6 to 10 at a table.

 

[rickyb]

I agree, Google is tyrannical. Are you relying on an evil capitalistic corporation to define words for you? What's Chomsky's definition of tyranny, and his evidence that some people prefer it?

Back on topic, I can see that many people prefer the tyranny of incompetent, corrupt, government officials telling them to wear masks, even though the data doesn't support it. They want other people to protect them from other people. So sad people believe corrupt government officials.

u should look it up. kinda like how conservatives dont know the definition of terrorism. you can have your own govt spell it out for you (state terrorism) and they still dont make the connections. same with the definition of tyranny or totalitarianism. it makes no difference whether a govt is barking orders at you or your boss.

"you dont know the power of the darkside....i must obey my master"

 

[rickyb]

I agree, Google is tyrannical. Are you relying on an evil capitalistic corporation to define words for you? What's Chomsky's definition of tyranny, and his evidence that some people prefer it?

Back on topic, I can see that many people prefer the tyranny of incompetent, corrupt, government officials telling them to wear masks, even though the data doesn't support it. They want other people to protect them from other people. So sad people believe corrupt government officials.

talking to you about this reminds me of the psychiatrists talking to leonardo dicaprio's character at the end of shutter island. spoiler alert he has a brief moment of clairity before he reverts

 

[zubenelgenubi]

talking to you about this reminds me of the psychiatrists talking to leonardo dicaprio's character at the end of shutter island. spoiler alert he has a brief moment of clairity before he reverts

Uh oh, I'm the crazy one! Okey dokey.

 

[rickyb]

Uh oh, I'm the crazy one! Okey dokey.

look at your responses in the conversation. im not saying youre crazy.