Thebrownblob
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About 3.5 billion
US to provide $3.5bn more in military aid to Israel amid war on Gaza
Part of the military aid will go to Israeli unit accused of rights abuses of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank.
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Next Day Err
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Alright, what should the United States do? What should they advise Israel to do, if anything?
Shutting up (not you, uncle Joe) and letting Israel grind Hezbollah into dust so their civilians can return to northern Israel sounds pretty good.
Next Day Err
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And if Israel invaded Lebanon and then is attacked by the IRGC? Iran could claim they are only attacking the IDF because it has invaded their ally. Then how do we react? Escalation like this isn’t impossible.
Iran can FAFO if it wants to. Doubt they would after seeing the FAFO Israel has been delivering to Hezbollah. Iran's leadership knows they'd be dead pretty quickly.
Next Day Err
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If I may, I think Iran and the IRGC is more sophisticated than Hezbollah. I don’t think Israel or Iran wants an all-out war. We don’t either, we will be dragged into it and even a likely win has costs. Possibly immense costs. And we also have to remember Iran is a huge client state of Russia which is weakened and exposed but still capable of weighing in on this as well.
My opinion? The U.S. is hoping for a pause so we don’t get ultimately dragged into anything. Not exactly a groundbreaking opinion.
Iran is a dictatorship and a dictator's #1 priority is self-preservation. Iran wouldn't do it for Hezbollah. Especially now that Hezbollah has vastly underperformed previous expectations.
Next Day Err
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Could be right. Both of us don’t know what Mossad or CIA or the U.S. military is seeing right now. I think we have to have some humility about that.
Iran not only has to worry about fighting Israel but also containing civil unrest at home. And ultimately Israel has nukes so if there's any possibility that Iran would overwhelm them on the battlefield and invade Israel's territory then Israel has the ultimate trump card.
Next Day Err
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We have to take into account other things like the possibility the U.S. military wants 21 days to get into better position to help Israel in Lebanon in any way they can.
Could come down to domestic politics. Biden wants Harris and as many Democrats to win as possible. A whole new escalation on a new front risks that outcome. Not just about “the Juden”.
Any Republican President would do the same I think.
Could come down to domestic politics. Biden wants Harris and as many Democrats to win as possible. A whole new escalation on a new front risks that outcome. Not just about “the Juden”.
Any Republican President would do the same I think.
Next Day Err
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What’s been lost in our discourse since Internet forums became a thing is humility and nuance along with civility which thankfully we still have in this discussion.
Next Day Err
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Of course. Who’s to say what will happen after the election.Or it's just election season.
It seems that’s it’s always in America’s best interest to appear to be in control. We have a lot of that but it’s not total. Think Afghanistan in the 80’s and the genocide in Rwanda for example. We don’t want chaos, we want as much stability for ourselves as we can muster. If we want chaos we will make it. This situation doesn’t seem a lot different in that respect.
DriveInDriveOut
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He is a potato.
DriveInDriveOut
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Well that happens when people just spew nonsense then switch to a different username because they don't have enough integrity to stand by their comments.
catstalking
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Do you think their foreign policy would be the most belligerent of any country since Bolshevik Russia (their founders origins) if they weren't propped up by the greatest superpower in history?
DriveInDriveOut
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GMAFB
They're not belligerent, they're stubborn.
Which countries has Israel attacked in the last 5 or so years? 10 years? 20 years?
catstalking
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Palestine, Lebanon, Iran, Syria
catstalking
ie qt
Is that what Ben Shapiro told you? Extreme socialist governments almost always have aggressive foreign policies
When they bribe our politicians and media to censor themselves, is that stubbornness?
