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Thebrownblob

Thebrownblob

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catstalking said:
Name our middle eastern enemies pre-1949, here I'll help:
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This is where we kind of stepped in it in the early 50s been downhill ever since…..

CIA‑assisted coup overthrows government of Iran | August 19, 1953 | HISTORY

The Iranian military, with the support and financial assistance of the United States government, overthrows the government of Premier Mohammad Mosaddeq and reinstates the Shah of Iran. Iran remained a solid Cold War ally of the United States until a revolution ended the Shah’s rule in 1979...
www.history.com www.history.com
 
Next Day Err

Next Day Err

Banned
catstalking said:
We assassinated their leader, held them under a puppet dictatorship for decades, and still 95% of their gripe with us is we support Israel

Irana govt would have been overthrown decades ago if we didn't take every chance we could to antagonize them, the Iranian people by and large hate their govt, but they hate Israel more
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Far-right religious bigots in Iran hate Israeli Jews for being Jews. What a shock.
 
DriveInDriѵeOut

DriveInDriѵeOut

Inordinately Right
vantexan said:
So it wss Israel, and not our oil policies, that caused everything?
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For starters he asked you to answer a loaded question.

Ya we didn't have problems with the region but we didn't really have problems with anyone else either. World wars changed the landscape globally and we got dragged into it and never got out.

Also he's asking you about a period of time where European countries largely were still in control of the region from the colonialism era. When autonomy was handed over to Muslims problems followed. Not surprising.

Lazy to blame it all on Jews. You could say the establishment of a modern Israel state didn't help and you wouldn't be wrong but it's a lot more nuanced than that.
 
catstalking

catstalking

ie qt
DriveInDriveOut said:
Ya we didn't have problems with the region but we didn't really have problems with anyone else either. World wars changed the landscape globally and we got dragged into it and never got out.
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Hey now you're getting it! Except instead of "got dragged in" it's more like "we shoved ourselves in at every available opportunity"

DriveInDriveOut said:
Also he's asking you about a period of time where European countries largely were still in control of the region from the colonialism era. When autonomy was handed over to Muslims problems followed. Not surprising.
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Problems followed with US because WE forced ourselves into their internal issues

DriveInDriveOut said:
Lazy to blame it all on Jews. You could say the establishment of a modern Israel state didn't help and you wouldn't be wrong but it's a lot more nuanced than that.
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It's not more nuanced than that, a bigoted religious state founded by former Bolsheviks takes land they'd previously never had and forced the locals into a fight for their existence
 
Next Day Err

Next Day Err

Banned
catstalking said:
Far right religious bigots in Israel hate Iranian Muslims for being Muslims, no difference

The point is, it has nothing whatsoever to do with American interests
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Stratetigic military advantage. We have much better eyes on the region with a rock solid friend that provides us extra eyes and latitude to act as we wish. I think it came down down to the Cold War and old habits are hard to break?
 
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vantexan

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catstalking said:
It was both, but without Israel the backlash wouldn't have been as bad
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So just throw Israel to the wolves? There are large elements within Muslim countries who hate everything about us and would even if Israel didn't exist. Oil money has given them the means to act out against nonbelievers. Doesn't matter whether it's Christian, Jewish, Hindu, or others. Israel is intolerable to them because in their religion a non believer can't be in a position of dominance over them. They will never stop going after Israel. I think when Jews were allowed to leave Europe for Palestine after WWII the powers that be didn't realize the ramifications of what they were stirring up. But the Jews are there now. They aren't going anywhere. The Trump administration was making headway in getting peace accords signed between Israel and various Arab nations. It's a shame that Biden turned his back on that. Could be that our military/industrial complex wants the endless wars the Middle East provides. Just another reason to try to thwart Trump.
 
catstalking

catstalking

ie qt
Next Day Err said:
Stratetigic military advantage. We have much better eyes on the region with a rock solid friend that provides us extra eyes and latitude to act as we wish. I think it came down down to the Cold War and old habits are hard to break?
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I guess you don't see the circular logic in your own post

Our strategic need to be in the ME is Israel, but we need Israel for our strategic military need
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catstalking

catstalking

ie qt
vantexan said:
So just throw Israel to the wolves?
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Where are the hundred of billions for the Kurds? What about Tibet? Is the Founding Fathers vision of America to be the protector of every minority group on earth?

Oh right, they're the richest in US politics, IM SURE THATS JUST A COINCIDENCE LOL

vantexan said:
There are large elements within Muslim countries who hate everything about us and would even if Israel didn't exist.
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So they hate us for our freedoms, not because we bomb them and supply the bombs for their enemies? I didn't know people still existed who fell for that scam

vantexan said:
Oil money has given them the means to act out against nonbelievers. Doesn't matter whether it's Christian, Jewish, Hindu, or others. Israel is intolerable to them because in their religion a non believer can't be in a position of dominance over them.
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So they lived in peace with the Jews for 1000 years, when we are Israel to crush the Arabs around them, it's just coincidence the Muslim world turned against us?
Riiiiiiiight

vantexan said:
They will never stop going after Israel. I think when Jews were allowed to leave Europe for Palestine after WWII the powers that be didn't realize the ramifications of what they were stirring up. But the Jews are there now.
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They weren't ALLOWED to leave, socialist Jews that would later be a part of the Bolsheviks decided to form a socialist homeland in Palestine, in according with Marxist principles

Their determination was armed struggle against the British and Arabs, again in accordance with the Marxist revolutionary principles Zionism was founded in

vantexan said:
They aren't going anywhere.
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I mean, not in the short term sure, but demographics are destiny, they will be outbred and replaced by the Arabs eventually unless they go full apartheid state

vantexan said:
The Trump administration was making headway in getting peace accords signed between Israel and various Arab nations. It's a shame that Biden turned his back on that.
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No, they were getting Saudi and Egypt to turn a blind eye so Israel could "final solution" the Palestinians out of their land

vantexan said:
Could be that our military/industrial complex wants the endless wars the Middle East provides.
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Only smart thing you've said, too bad you don't see the connection between that and literally EVERYTHING ELSE YOU SAID
 

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