just reading everyones replies makes me hurt.. shhhh about these things, im with the person who cried and the bat to the back, wow that was the most intense pain iv every had, the wife came home from work found me layin on the floor tears flowin, telling her not to touch me just drive me to doctors,most people said passing them hurt bad also, luck have it doc told me to pee thru a screen and save the stones to see what type, i couldnt belive a lil stone the size of maybe 2 grains of sand could hurt so bad... now shhhh lets close this thread hehe