And this thread is about the LEAVENWORTH 10, no one ever said rapists and murderers among our military, which is still a smaller % than you see on the streets of the USA, should be let out. Stay on point please!
Leavenworth 10 Freedom Rally
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And this thread is about the LEAVENWORTH 10, no one ever said rapists and murderers among our military, which is still a smaller % than you see on the streets of the USA, should be let out. Stay on point please!
trickpony1
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Tooner-
The 2011 Leavenworth 10 Freedom Rally will be October 1, 2011.
No one says you have to ride a motorcycle in the procession. There were cars in it last year.
No one says you have to be a veteran to register and participate in the rally.
I will update you with details as I get them.
The 2011 Leavenworth 10 Freedom Rally will be October 1, 2011.
No one says you have to ride a motorcycle in the procession. There were cars in it last year.
No one says you have to be a veteran to register and participate in the rally.
I will update you with details as I get them.
I heard there is a group of harley riders planning an event for Charlie Manson in the late fall and then Susan Smith in winter. Hope you guys can make those as well.
Peace.
Peace.
There is another ride planned for Ted Kascinski ( the unibomber) in late spring. Just like a suspension for time served without backpay, those riders would like Ted freed.
Peace.
Peace.
fethrs
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satellitedriver
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Trick,
This is the first time I have read this thread.
Thanks for supporting our troops.
Few people know the reality of warfare.
My brother was a Marine in Nam and a member of CAC/CAP.
Only 5,000 Marines were in the CAC/CAP program in Nam.
50% were killed, 95% were wounded.
He was one of the 95% and spent a year in the Balboa Naval Hospital before being able to come home for a 30 day leave.
Ride on.
I can not be there in person, but I am there in spirit.
Today I heard there is another HOG ride planned for serial killer Richard Ramirez in downtown los angeles, some of you may remember him as the NIGHT STALKER. He was guilty of murder as well as our honorable troops who pled guilty to murder being held at Leavenworth.
Peace.
Peace.
trickpony1
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One of the beautiful things about America is everyone has an inalienable right to be ignorant.
Posts #65, 67 and 70 might serve to prove that theory.
Posts #65, 67 and 70 might serve to prove that theory.
trickpony1
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I've just been informed that the 2011 Leavenworth 10 Freedom Ride has been canceled. Tentative date is now May 2012.
I'm sure a certain someone will have something smart to say.
I'm sure a certain someone will have something smart to say.
Finally, maybe they learned they were riding to free convicts? Common sense had to set in at some point, just not in your case.
Peace.
TRICK... you asked me some questions and I have some answers for you: You said
1) The lockerby bomber was released from a special deal between the EU, the Oil companies and Libya. It was wrong and I dont think you will find anyone who agrees with it other than the oil companies and the EU goverments involved. Cheaper oil was the baseline, not justice.
2) the "mastermind" of 911 being brought to trial? Dont know if you heard this yet, but he was killed by navy seals. Now, thats if you believe the Bush administrations explanation that Usama Bin Laden was responsible for 911. Sheik Kalid Mohammad hasnt been brought to trial during BUSH or OBAMA for some simple reasons, there is NO PROOF other than they tortured a confession out of him. Just holding him has been better than embarrassing ourselves by trying him.
3) I call the detention of hundreds of prisoners at gitmo CRIMES against humanity, as many have been held falsely and released years later after being tortured, beaten and starved. Less than 10 trials have ever been held since Bush started the practice of redition.
4) Pandering and Appeasing? Seriously? Those may be your big words of the week, but the lockerby bombers release has nothing to do with the american goverment and everthing to do with money, that hardly qualifies as appeasing. A "reasonable" person would leave out the rhetoric and political spin of what they are told and look to the facts and make a determination the release was big money talking.
Those military convicted prisoners held at Leavenworth called the Leavenworth 10 by the right wing bleeding hearts were brought to trial, evidence was presented, they had respected council, they had options and after advice by their council, chose to accept their punishments for the murders they committed.
They took the better option. They were not victims, they were not victims of circumstance, they were not confused over military orders, they were not forced to commit acts of violence, they were not places into a situation where the rules of engagement were not clear, THEY COMMITTED MURDERS.
In each case, they UNILATERALLY made decisions to kill a human being or being(s). For that I dont feel sorry for any of them. You can feel differently if you wish, thats your right, but when you publically promote the cause to release these criminals then you can expect some pushback by other americans who believe that a crime is a crime. I didnt see BUSH pardon any of these men, I dont see Obama pardoning any of these men and I dont see any future president pardoning any of these men.
If that wont happen, why would you stick your neck out for them? What do you know that the justice system doesnt know? There isnt a single circumstance in the 10 convicted criminals cases that points to their innocence. The fact that they were soldiers in a war zone does not give them carte blance to make unilateral decisions to kill human beings that posed them no threat. The fact that in each case, they tried to cover it up makes it more disturbing.
To your last point about seal team 6, c'mon, are you really this naive? I know you ride a harley, and I can respect you for that, but I cant respect this thought process.
Seal Team 6, acting under the direct authority of the President of the United States and the United States Military undertook a military action to kill or capture the most wanted man in our history for his mastermind of the 911 attacks. NO SEAL made any UNILATERAL decisions to undertake this mission on their own.
Your comparision makes you look, well, because im being limited to what I can say, ummm....silly.
Seeing that the men you weep for are military people I can understand where you are coming from, but you are an american first, and if you are an american, then you have to support the american judicial process for what it is. You must believe that as a nation, we cannot send young men into another country and commit horrible crimes and not be punished for those actions and be released just because you ride in a motorcycle rally.
These american soldiers had their day in court, they ALL PLEAD guilty and accepted their fates and are now sitting in Leavenworth maximum security prison for years. When they do half that time, I would consider changing my mind on their futures. But I do not hold them any less responsible for their murders than I would any other american convicted of murdering americans.
If anyone believes that premeditated murders have "excuses" that require the release of convicted prisoners, then they should also rally for the thousands of killers held across the United States of America. Every murder has a story.
All I ask is that you be consistent in your beliefs.
Peace.
1) The lockerby bomber was released from a special deal between the EU, the Oil companies and Libya. It was wrong and I dont think you will find anyone who agrees with it other than the oil companies and the EU goverments involved. Cheaper oil was the baseline, not justice.
2) the "mastermind" of 911 being brought to trial? Dont know if you heard this yet, but he was killed by navy seals. Now, thats if you believe the Bush administrations explanation that Usama Bin Laden was responsible for 911. Sheik Kalid Mohammad hasnt been brought to trial during BUSH or OBAMA for some simple reasons, there is NO PROOF other than they tortured a confession out of him. Just holding him has been better than embarrassing ourselves by trying him.
3) I call the detention of hundreds of prisoners at gitmo CRIMES against humanity, as many have been held falsely and released years later after being tortured, beaten and starved. Less than 10 trials have ever been held since Bush started the practice of redition.
4) Pandering and Appeasing? Seriously? Those may be your big words of the week, but the lockerby bombers release has nothing to do with the american goverment and everthing to do with money, that hardly qualifies as appeasing. A "reasonable" person would leave out the rhetoric and political spin of what they are told and look to the facts and make a determination the release was big money talking.
Those military convicted prisoners held at Leavenworth called the Leavenworth 10 by the right wing bleeding hearts were brought to trial, evidence was presented, they had respected council, they had options and after advice by their council, chose to accept their punishments for the murders they committed.
They took the better option. They were not victims, they were not victims of circumstance, they were not confused over military orders, they were not forced to commit acts of violence, they were not places into a situation where the rules of engagement were not clear, THEY COMMITTED MURDERS.
In each case, they UNILATERALLY made decisions to kill a human being or being(s). For that I dont feel sorry for any of them. You can feel differently if you wish, thats your right, but when you publically promote the cause to release these criminals then you can expect some pushback by other americans who believe that a crime is a crime. I didnt see BUSH pardon any of these men, I dont see Obama pardoning any of these men and I dont see any future president pardoning any of these men.
If that wont happen, why would you stick your neck out for them? What do you know that the justice system doesnt know? There isnt a single circumstance in the 10 convicted criminals cases that points to their innocence. The fact that they were soldiers in a war zone does not give them carte blance to make unilateral decisions to kill human beings that posed them no threat. The fact that in each case, they tried to cover it up makes it more disturbing.
To your last point about seal team 6, c'mon, are you really this naive? I know you ride a harley, and I can respect you for that, but I cant respect this thought process.
Seal Team 6, acting under the direct authority of the President of the United States and the United States Military undertook a military action to kill or capture the most wanted man in our history for his mastermind of the 911 attacks. NO SEAL made any UNILATERAL decisions to undertake this mission on their own.
Your comparision makes you look, well, because im being limited to what I can say, ummm....silly.
Seeing that the men you weep for are military people I can understand where you are coming from, but you are an american first, and if you are an american, then you have to support the american judicial process for what it is. You must believe that as a nation, we cannot send young men into another country and commit horrible crimes and not be punished for those actions and be released just because you ride in a motorcycle rally.
These american soldiers had their day in court, they ALL PLEAD guilty and accepted their fates and are now sitting in Leavenworth maximum security prison for years. When they do half that time, I would consider changing my mind on their futures. But I do not hold them any less responsible for their murders than I would any other american convicted of murdering americans.
If anyone believes that premeditated murders have "excuses" that require the release of convicted prisoners, then they should also rally for the thousands of killers held across the United States of America. Every murder has a story.
All I ask is that you be consistent in your beliefs.
Peace.
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