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UnionStrong

Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
I take the Bible very seriously, although I would agree there’s much I don’t understand, and the ones that say they do are not telling the truth. I believe being a Christian means being more Christ like, Grace, and mercy and love are the most important things. I need all three of those things myself, so does everyone else from each other, if you tell someone they’re a piece of crap it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Multiple chances at fixing our mistakes are part of the human condition and I believe Jesus Christ understood that. I also know hurt people, hurt people. There’s a lot of hurt in the world shame on all of us.
As long as they don’t mess with taco Tuesday.
 

UnionStrong

Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
How many Christians do you think were slaves? I believe the bible recommended slavery to pay someone back as a consequence of their actions, like if they stole something. And even then their masters were to treat them reasonably. Nowhere does it say to take someone and imprison them and make them serve you without payment. That is something democrats do, not followers of Christ.
I believe Hebrews could only keep them for 7 years.
 

Non liberal

Well-Known Member
He was a :censored2:ing idiot, no offense. The only good thing he did was standing against religions he hated, but he even :censored2:ed up doing that.
Intelligent man for his time in some aspects, but also a hateful prick.
Take it from a hateful prick, I know them when I read their words.

this is an opinion I can agree to disagree with and we can share a society because our overall beliefs seem to match up.
I’m just confused as how god is needed in any of this. It isn’t. Societies bound by the Christian god or Muslim god or Judaism god do not have superior human nature over the ones who are not. Sure Christianity is the least hateful of these three but that isn’t much to write home about.

I think there are many more factors like education and childhood that determine “good” and “moral” human beings. Christianity can turn out scum of the earth same as any other belief in this world.
Education certainly doesn’t do anything for morals, just at our “educated” young men and women of today. You need god, and the Bible to tell you what is right and wrong. I know you don’t believe that, but that doesn’t make it any less true. If not for god a society could deem theft as “good” because someone less fortunate is taking from someone who has. It doesn’t matter that one of those people works until his hands bleed and the other sits under a shade tree all day. The Bible is the foundation for all the “good” rules we have today like it or not. It is the foundation of truth. The very first book of society from which all other books were written. You are living by the rules of the Bible everyday.
 

BrownFlush

Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
Oh yeah where does it say that in the Bible, mr fundamentalist? See how it feels when you try to step away from your silly desert dwelling jew morality? “God”(people of the time) condoned it, we didn’t move on from it for thousand+ years afterward.

The only thing that gives me a little bit of peace when discussing this non sense with you hateful types, is the fact you’re not going to heaven, there is no Christian god, you’re mostly an atheist who just refuses to go one god further.
On most religions of mankind we agree 100%, you’re the one who refuses to see the truth when it comes to the jew god, not me.
You treat your slaves well because at the end of the day they are still a human being and if their life is just complete misery they will kill you or rebel if your the cause of it.

You don’t have to be an omnipresent deity to look at the history predating Christianity and come to that conclusion. Just one of the few human beings that was literate and educated during those times.
Slavery is not addressed in Scripture as a right or wrong. It is addressed as something that is going to be going on somewhere in a society as long as the world exist. Instruction is given on how a Master and Slave who are Christians are to treat one another. For a Christian Master or Slave to submit and obey those instructions, it would blow the culture out of the water to see those instructions in action. It was the polar opposite of most of those relationships, so the need for instruction.
Statements like Slaves of sin… Slaves of righteousness in scripture can easily be understood .
Stop crying about getting killed Your Homoness because you’re a queer. The scripture doesn’t call for your life. It calls for your repentance, just like all of us sinners
 

El Correcto

god is dead
Education certainly doesn’t do anything for morals, just at our “educated” young men and women of today. You need god, and the Bible to tell you what is right and wrong. I know you don’t believe that, but that doesn’t make it any less true. If not for god a society could deem theft as “good” because someone less fortunate is taking from someone who has. It doesn’t matter that one of those people works until his hands bleed and the other sits under a shade tree all day. The Bible is the foundation for all the “good” rules we have today like it or not. It is the foundation of truth. The very first book of society from which all other books were written. You are living by the rules of the Bible everyday.
No it couldn’t because the person being stolen from would always recognize it as a moral evil. The cause and effect, you come steal from me, I smack the :censored2: out of you, society codifies my actions as justified and finds better methods of punishment than me getting vigilante justice so help maintain the peace and prevent violence between men because we have seen what happens when vigilantism and theft goes unanswered.
Are you so dim you need Jesus telling you that you getting stolen from should make you feel bad? Of course not.

The Bible is absolutely not the basis we have for good rules today and at times has been the cause of great human suffering through out the world. The Bible does not prevent people from being evil so why would it be needed to make them good? The Bible is unequivocally not the word of an all knowing deity or the absolute truth of the universe, let’s start with chapter one the creationist myth, utter non sense disproven by modern science.
 

El Correcto

god is dead

Societies like the Babylonians and Egyptians absent your god arrived at the conclusion that theft was bad and a moral evil. It’s because your God’s word is nothing more than humans of the day. There is no divine Jesus Christ needed to reach that conclusion or Christianity.
 

zubenelgenubi

I'm a star
That is a smart man! Very informative video coming from someone who should know.

He cut straight to the heart of the matter. Transgenderism for kids is nothing more than forced sterilization. Kids who are too young to be making decisions beyond what to have for lunch are psychologically abused until they agree to be neutered to get the abuse to stop. Pure evil.
 

Non liberal

Well-Known Member
Accusing non Jews of being Jews is discriminatory. Apparently calling even Jews Jews is racist according to some of your only
Reason
No it couldn’t because the person being stolen from would always recognize it as a moral evil. The cause and effect, you come steal from me, I smack the :censored2: out of you, society codifies my actions as justified and finds better methods of punishment than me getting vigilante justice so help maintain the peace and prevent violence between men because we have seen what happens when vigilantism and theft goes unanswered.
Are you so dim you need Jesus telling you that you getting stolen from should make you feel bad? Of course not.

The Bible is absolutely not the basis we have for good rules today and at times has been the cause of great human suffering through out the world. The Bible does not prevent people from being evil so why would it be needed to make them good? The Bible is unequivocally not the word of an all knowing deity or the absolute truth of the universe, let’s start with chapter one the creationist myth, utter non sense disproven by modern science.
why though? If they didn’t already have a base for morality, they certainly would not recognize it as morally wrong. If you grew up in a world where it is normal, you would see that as necessary to survive. Because I don’t have much time I’ll ask again how does your world view get something from nothing? Just get your worldview started and I’ll shut my mouth. Go ahead, I’ll wait…mr fish.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
Reason

why though? If they didn’t already have a base for morality, they certainly would not recognize it as morally wrong. If you grew up in a world where it is normal, you would see that as necessary to survive. Because I don’t have much time I’ll ask again how does your world view get something from nothing? Just get your worldview started and I’ll shut my mouth. Go ahead, I’ll wait…mr fish.
The answer is I don’t know.
Now prove to me that you know with evidence.
Oh wait you can’t. You just say Jesus Jesus god god god god, no evidence, no proof, no real observations, just your opinion.
Your opinion should be you don’t know either, but you choose to have faith that it was god, imo.

If your really curious about these debates and enjoy the conversation, there are many atheists and theologians well better equipped than us to further it. You should go watch them debate it with an open mind. Who has more REAL world observable answers that aren’t just look at what this Bible says?
I don’t see how any rational human being still comes down on the side of religion these days, there is just too much going against it.

Seriously spend a week listening to the atheists, to the scientists, shut religion out for 1 week. See if it doesn’t at the very least more you toward a more agnostic view of your own beliefs and open your mind a bit.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
I just don’t get why we need to add another difficult hoop to answer, proving the existence of a deity, to questions we already don’t know the answers to.
It makes absolutely no sense.

Atheism is applying science to these mythical stories and creationists myths and basically saying these question remain unanswered, we have no evidence.
 

Non liberal

Well-Known Member
The answer is I don’t know.
Now prove to me that you know with evidence.
Oh wait you can’t. You just say Jesus Jesus god god god god, no evidence, no proof, no real observations, just your opinion.
Your opinion should be you don’t know either, but you choose to have faith that it was god, imo.

If your really curious about these debates and enjoy the conversation, there are many atheists and theologians well better equipped than us to further it. You should go watch them debate it with an open mind. Who has more REAL world observable answers that aren’t just look at what this Bible says?
I don’t see how any rational human being still comes down on the side of religion these days, there is just too much going against it.

Seriously spend a week listening to the atheists, to the scientists, shut religion out for 1 week. See if it doesn’t at the very least more you toward a more agnostic view of your own beliefs and open your mind a bit.
How is a 2000 year old book not good evidence? 500 eye witnesses? Jesus life has been proven, and his resurrection witnessed, but that’s not good enough for “science” but yet string theory is a possibility for the universe, aliens are a possibility, ghosts are a possibility, we live in a matrix is a possibility, lol, but not god silly he’s an impossibility. Why? because his rules are just too inconvenient, that’s why.
 

Non liberal

Well-Known Member
That’s the problem, the “science” is done under the assumption that god doesn’t exist. That’s why I can’t understand how you can do science when you don’t know what started it all. If everything else is supposedly figured out, they should know how the universe started.
 
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