Lightest peak season ever

[rickyb]

This thread is a trip.

Started out talking about how some areas are very light compared to previous peak seasons, while some areas (like mine) are the complete opposite. Then it devolved into like 15 pages of rants about PT wages being stagnant, and now it's like six pages of society/ethics/utopias/socialism and God knows what else because I can't be ed to try and read into it seriously.

Can we start talking about celebrity dating next?

yes

 

[rickyb]

Yes freeloaders in our society already take advantage of me, I pay for the government checks they cash in lieu of finding a means of self support. I don’t like it but I feel any social system will have that segment.

I fail to see the argument of employment as being taken advantage of when in fact I have a say in where I work, how much I will accept for the work, and I have the freedom to leave and work elsewhere.

you dont see the difference in taking orders at a job vs the workers collectively voting on how to run their job?

theres a difference between choosing to live in a dictatorship, vs choosing to live in a democracy

 

[rickyb]

“Slaving” Haven’t noticed any whips or nooses. C’mon man, your going to labor more for less in your commune, But if your more satisfied with it, be my guest.

“Slaves” don’t make bank off their work. We do. Slaves can’t leave. We can.

It’s great to throw hot button words out to try to make working at UPS seem like a North Korean Re-education Camp but I mean try picking cotton or digging a ditch. Again, sorry you hate your job maybe think of a new path.

many americans considered capitalism wage slavery pre 1900 i think and wanted to get rid of it.

"those who work in teh mills ought to own them"

 

[rickyb]

No, seriously, work will be required. Food doesn’t just appear in front of you. You seem very upset that you have to put forth the effort. You want a society where you can just “walk away” but you want to keep eating and probably, living indoors.

I think little of human beings? Quite the opposite. Just one example, walk into a grocery store and behold the vast abundance of goods available to us. Another, flip on a light switch, or reply to a thread on BC.

michael hudson calls american freedom "your money or your life"

you can go bankrupt in medical bills or you can get sick and die

you can borrow money to get educated which is modern union card, or you can be poor

you can go into debt to buy a house, or you can be homeless

its a high cost economy

 

[rickyb]

You keep talking in vague ideologies but can't explain the Utopia you hope for. You're afraid to post your ideas because you know they're ridiculous but ideology is always blinding to reality. Whatever system you think you want, I can assure you that we'd be living in caves and the only priority in life would be hunting for the next animal to eat.

this to start

Worker cooperative - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[rickyb]

Yes. Yes you can refuse wage labor. You can go to school and become a professional of some sort and never work an hourly job again. You could invent some new thing and after working hard to develop it, never Work again. You have choices.

You want no freedom.. go to a communist country where you still work hard, but have very little, and no choice in what work you do, or how much work you do, or what you say, wear, think...

But I AM free, free to succeed or fail miserably. Nonetheless free. I’m sorry you feel so enslaved and unhappy.

the US economy is more centralized than those economies you refer to, but its centralized on wall st and its destroying the country!

 

[rickyb]

Short answer is yes. I have a choice. Right now business is booming and we are pulling down $7k a week. I’d rather make a bit less and work less but I’ll take more time off in February.

I didn’t bother reading the article since it came from CNN the Voice of Communism instead I just look st the actual figures. In first nine months of year, due to work by Teamsters, other union and non union employees our customers paid in over $69 billion.

UPS shareholders (includes almost every person with a diversified 401k or IRA) pocketed a $7.5 billion profit. A bit over 10% of the money customers paid in. Love it, a great return, especially coming into contract time.

Meanwhile UPS employees shared just under $34 billion. That’s about half the money coming in going to the workers. Sorry I don’t feel “exploited”. Maybe if I made $15/hr and paid for medical I would.

you are exploited by definition.

first of all ups profits off of your labor. secondly its an economic dictatorship. your ability to quit doesnt make it not a dictatorship.

 

[wilberforce15]

No. The part-timers should be able to "take over".

They could've taken over in the 80s and didn't.

They've never taken over and never will.

Gramps screwed them over with a 25/hr starting pay. We're just asking you to screw the PTers as well as he did.

 

[JL 0513]

im here and i got no beer

There you are. At first I thought you changed your name to Whither. I always thought you were the only one in the world that had your belief system, but now there's two.

 

[JL 0513]

you are exploited by definition.

first of all ups profits off of your labor. secondly its an economic dictatorship. your ability to quit doesnt make it not a dictatorship.

Companies are supposed to profit from workers labor and that's a good thing. UPS gives us a stable job/life, provides the truck and tools to do the job, provides benefits, and even pays us when we don't work on Holidays. Even gives us the clothes we need. No profit = no business, no service/product.

Even in a worker cooperative, you have to make a profit. Unless everyone is just volunteering for charity? Paycheck=profit.

 

[Buffet Master]

You smart guys talking about inflation and wage adjustment for this era vs another era, well here's some real talk and facts. Due to personal inflation, the 4 slices of pizza it takes to fill me up now used to only be 2 slices 25 years ago. 4 is more than 2 in both quantity and price.

 

[bottomups]

Ok,
Follow your own beliefs and quit working for the man.
Be a hunter gatherer like they did 100,000 years ago.
See how your philosophy works out.

Don't know if that's possible anymore with closed seasons and bag limits. Maybe live off road kill?

 

[bottomups]

The beauty is we don’t have to thank them, they have been well rewarded for their risk. Innovation pays off. Any many many people have jobs because of their “evil” companies and many many others.

Sorry, making successful people out to be evil isn’t going to make your argument work. I’m sorry you are so unhappy why don’t you choose something else?

Would Tesla even be profitable and still in business if not for government tax breaks for purchase of electric vehicles?

 

[bottomups]

Imagine comparing plant life with sentient human being life?

Without plant life there would be no human life. Plant Life Matters.

 

[bottomups]

Yes freeloaders in our society already take advantage of me, I pay for the government checks they cash in lieu of finding a means of self support. I don’t like it but I feel any social system will have that segment.

I fail to see the argument of employment as being taken advantage of when in fact I have a say in where I work, how much I will accept for the work, and I have the freedom to leave and work elsewhere.

Doesn't every Alaskan citizen get a free government check every year?

 

[wilberforce15]

You smart guys talking about inflation and wage adjustment for this era vs another era, well here's some real talk and facts. Due to personal inflation, the 4 slices of pizza it takes to fill me up now used to only be 2 slices 25 years ago. 4 is more than 2 in both quantity and price.

Shouldn't have gone to feeders.

 

[wilberforce15]

Would Tesla even be profitable and still in business if not for government tax breaks for purchase of electric vehicles?

Why wouldn't you build a business model based on what you know will be there?

 

[rickyb]

Companies are supposed to profit from workers labor and that's a good thing. UPS gives us a stable job/life, provides the truck and tools to do the job, provides benefits, and even pays us when we don't work on Holidays. Even gives us the clothes we need. No profit = no business, no service/product.

Even in a worker cooperative, you have to make a profit. Unless everyone is just volunteering for charity? Paycheck=profit.

theres a difference between workers deciding what to do with the fruits of their labor, and a capitalist, slave master, feudal lord deciding what to do with it.

 

[UnionStrong]

theres a difference between workers deciding what to do with the fruits of their labor, and a capitalist, slave master, feudal lord deciding what to do with it.

That’s just….absurd!

 

[I have been lurking]

You smart guys talking about inflation and wage adjustment for this era vs another era, well here's some real talk and facts. Due to personal inflation, the 4 slices of pizza it takes to fill me up now used to only be 2 slices 25 years ago. 4 is more than 2 in both quantity and price.

The term is shrinkflation