Local 804 Drivers Walked Out
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Anonymous 12
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I feel bad for the members as well. It sucks that they voted in that tdu stuff but one can be easily fooled when they don't know how bad it can be.
I work in Melville...I was put on 72 a couple of years ago for a work stoppage that Dave O called...threatened with loss of job etc...ended up with 3 day suspension...would never put my livelihood and my families well being on the line again for this current board...they talk the talk but cant back it up...they don't know what they r doing and when push comes to shove they crumble...I feel bad for my brothers and sisters in queens and as much as u love to shove it up UPS is it worth losing a $90000/year job for a local who doesn't have your back...I learnt my lesson first hand
My local was a tdu local a while back. It went very bad.
No money and bad business agents and a president that was a flat out hick. We were the laughing stock and the company had its way with the inexperienced representation. Tdu will encourage anyone to run regardless of knowledge or experience. They just want numbers in the locals. The members suffered and they were voted out three years later. Thank god. We are still rebuilding.
No money and bad business agents and a president that was a flat out hick. We were the laughing stock and the company had its way with the inexperienced representation. Tdu will encourage anyone to run regardless of knowledge or experience. They just want numbers in the locals. The members suffered and they were voted out three years later. Thank god. We are still rebuilding.
not what i voted for
Well-Known Member
Thank you for posting the truth I am sure the drivers Maspeth are feeling the same right now.
If this board read the bylaws the would know what the purpose of Local 804 is, it is to benefit the members and their family's.
rod
Retired 23 years
Being on a "working suspension" is not that uncommon at UPS. I will say that everyone I knew who had this happen to them got the job back----that they never lost in the first place. You can't make this stuff up. It would be nice if they would do a "suspended-with pay" thing but we all know that would never happen.
I can't believe that local804 executive board is doubling up on Liam's mistake!... Take a look at the flyer being put up by this board!
Liam's picture is at every ups building nationally and international! He is banned from entering any ups facility! Due to his reckless action!
Now local804 entire executive board seams to be backing its BA by putting up a flyer like that! I wonder if ups is now going to ban local804 entire executive for trying to promote another walkout.
I will be the first one to say it, local804 executive board should resign immediately if they care all about its members.
Liam's picture is at every ups building nationally and international! He is banned from entering any ups facility! Due to his reckless action!
Now local804 entire executive board seams to be backing its BA by putting up a flyer like that! I wonder if ups is now going to ban local804 entire executive for trying to promote another walkout.
I will be the first one to say it, local804 executive board should resign immediately if they care all about its members.
realbrown1
Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
What a surprise, all the Hoffa boys are piling on. This is just the end of round 1. Lots more to come before the end.
And I am sure you Hoffa but kissers will be hoping for the worst.
Way to stand united.
So you're saying it's either or? You have to be a half of butt kisser to despise TDU? TDU always has an answer, so let's hear it. Real1brown, do you think 804 made the right decision? I am not talking about the drivers, I am talking about the executive board.
Every excuse I ever heard made perfect sense to the person who made it.
Every excuse I ever heard made perfect sense to the person who made it.
And I find it laughable that TDU always wants to be united when their 
is in the hot seat, yet they would steam roll anyone that opposes their view. Hypocrite! Why don't you unite behind Hoffa and Hall?
Every excuse I ever heard made perfect sense to the person who made it.
is in the hot seat, yet they would steam roll anyone that opposes their view. Hypocrite! Why don't you unite behind Hoffa and Hall? Every excuse I ever heard made perfect sense to the person who made it.
realbrown1
Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
Face it, you're a Hoffa shill. Just looking to dog pile on anyone not Hoffa affiliated.
And as for if I think 804 did that right thing, not my call. But I will support my fellow teamster brothers if this gets bigger. Doubt it will, Hoffa is enjoying the show.
251
You know me...
Functionality? Defined as what? This incident? Or overall? I can't speak to the overall functionality of 804 because I am not a member there. But a quick peek at the LM2's before and after the TS slate, I'd say the overall functionality of the local has gotten better. I understand they won re-election recently, and I can't help but think that fact speaks for itself...
As far as this incident? I don't know. I do know that those 200+ drivers showed some balls of steel by risking their jobs and walking out in a show of solidarity for their terminated brother. The BA put his job on the line as well by calling for the wildcat. Was it a smart move? Definitely not. Anyone who tells you different is a sympathizer. Did it send a message to UPS? You bet your ass it did. Any show of solidarity like this shakes the power structure to its core. But it is not a black and white, right or wrong issue. The BA did not act as a TDU representative, he acted as a Representative of The Teamsters Union. He took a stand as a leader, and his members voluntarily followed him and it sent an echo across the entire company as well as the Union. We'll see where it all lands.
251
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And I find it laughable that TDU always wants to be united when their
Every excuse I ever heard made perfect sense to the person who made it.
Generalizations like this drive me nuts. I will tell you right now that if Hoffa/Hall or one of their "Old Guard" leaders at the local level called a wildcat, I would support it 100%. Even if our brothers in Local 25 called it, I would support it for its cause, and the overall cause of the Union as well as the Labor movement. Hold me to that statement. I may voice my opinion of it being a boneheaded move, which is how I feel about the 804 wildcat, but I will still support it for the overall cause.
Just because someone is a member of TDU does not mean they automatically hold an "Us and Them" mentality. Please be mindful of this when you attempt to paint us all with the same brush. My loyalty lies with the Teamsters Union. It does NOT lie with the elected official that runs the organization. Just as my Patriotism lies with the United States of America, NOT the elected President.
Saying that you must be Loyal to Hoffa Hall simply because you are a Teamster is like saying you must be loyal to Obama/Biden simply because you are an American. See what I'm gettin at Stink? It's not personal, I am not Anti Hoffa/Hall. I am simply Pro Teamsters Union and pro Labor. Hope that makes sense...
browned out
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The whole point of this walkout was to try to get ups to adhere to the contact. Pure and simple.
There are no real reprucsions for Ups when they habitually violate the contract. The contract is binding...but there are no enforceable penalties in regards to losing ones livelihood when it comes to the company. This is at least partially the union's fault for not having stronger language in the contract; or even enforcing the existing language.
Examples for UPS employee violations and company violations and subsequent consequences.
Employee Violation:
UPS driver Casey James misses the handrail on an observation. (Company states "you have been trained and instructed on the methods and did not follow) 1st offense=warning notice, 2nd offense= 3 day suspension, 3rd offense=termination.
Company Violation:
UPS supervisor Nelson Oz forgets to post the start times required by the contract. (Steward states "you are required to post the start times"
1st offense=nothing 2nd offense=<nothing 3rd offense=<nothing 4th offense=nothing 5th offense=nothing 6th offense=retaliation in return for you bringing it up again.
The same concept x10 when it comes to anything construed as dishonesty.
Employee: You are discharged if there is anyway UPS can imply there is a 1%chance there was a possibility you ...........attempted to defraud the company, etc
Company Nothing except in rare instances when UPS is caught still holding the smoking gun.
Employees are getting fed up with this garbage. The more UPS tightens its grip, the more drivers will slip thru their strong handed behavior only to become more resilient. If any of these drivers are discharged; it will work counter to the fear UPS is trying to instill.
Walkouts or UPS employees informing the public or media of the treatment will only increase.
(Any similarity to actual persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.)
There are no real reprucsions for Ups when they habitually violate the contract. The contract is binding...but there are no enforceable penalties in regards to losing ones livelihood when it comes to the company. This is at least partially the union's fault for not having stronger language in the contract; or even enforcing the existing language.
Examples for UPS employee violations and company violations and subsequent consequences.
Employee Violation:
UPS driver Casey James misses the handrail on an observation. (Company states "you have been trained and instructed on the methods and did not follow) 1st offense=warning notice, 2nd offense= 3 day suspension, 3rd offense=termination.
Company Violation:
UPS supervisor Nelson Oz forgets to post the start times required by the contract. (Steward states "you are required to post the start times"
1st offense=nothing 2nd offense=<nothing 3rd offense=<nothing 4th offense=nothing 5th offense=nothing 6th offense=retaliation in return for you bringing it up again.
The same concept x10 when it comes to anything construed as dishonesty.
Employee: You are discharged if there is anyway UPS can imply there is a 1%chance there was a possibility you ...........attempted to defraud the company, etc
Company Nothing except in rare instances when UPS is caught still holding the smoking gun.
Employees are getting fed up with this garbage. The more UPS tightens its grip, the more drivers will slip thru their strong handed behavior only to become more resilient. If any of these drivers are discharged; it will work counter to the fear UPS is trying to instill.
Walkouts or UPS employees informing the public or media of the treatment will only increase.
(Any similarity to actual persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.)
251
You know me...
Calling on all sides to support their brothers and sisters.
http://petitions.moveon.org/workingfamilies/sign/ups-drivers-fired-for?source=c.em.cp&r_by=10171476
http://petitions.moveon.org/workingfamilies/sign/ups-drivers-fired-for?source=c.em.cp&r_by=10171476
oldngray
nowhere special
TDU was different 20 years ago when it was mostly just an attempt to counter some of the old guard Teamster abuses but it has morphed into little more than rabble rousers who talk big but do little more than talk. I have tried to stay out of the pro/con TDU debate but their actions with 804 finally swayed me against them. They are definitely not like they used to be.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
This is not true.
I'm not arguing the solidarity. Like I said earlier, I'd be the first one out the door if my BA made that call. That's why I put the burden on the local and UPS. In the end, that relationship is theses drivers suffer. But why is there such an extreme issue at 804? It seems extra bad there and it has been for a few years. As far as their lm2, you think it's impressive? The lost 1000 members since taking over. Dropping 1,000,000 in assets, increased disbursements except for 2012. So far, I'm not impressed. I do notice how they keep their pay just below TDU's salary report though.
Every excuse I ever heard made perfect sense to the person who made it.
Every excuse I ever heard made perfect sense to the person who made it.
