Local 804 Drivers Walked Out

[Stonefish]

Face it, you're a Hoffa shill. Just looking to dog pile on anyone not Hoffa affiliated.
And as for if I think 804 did that right thing, not my call. But I will support my fellow teamster brothers if this gets bigger. Doubt it will, Hoffa is enjoying the show.

What does TDU do every day of the week? They pound Hoffa/Hall every chance they get. Now when TDU Tim and his boys get themselves in a pickle the TDU boys don't like it being given back to them. Wahh.
I say support the drivers they did what they had to do but the agent bad move

 

[Integrity]

I have reviewed many of the posts in this thread.

Not all but many.

I do not support the action taken by this Local.

I support TDU in principle but not financially. (I am not a member at this time.)

The "Business Unionism" model that the Teamsters pretty much adhere to needs some form of checks and balances.

I believe the TDU is at least an attempt at this.

It has its problems like any organization of humans, but "Business Unionism" needs to be irradiated for unions to truly function to represent the workers and not the Organization.

This being said I believe this action by this local was irresponsible. I do not hold the TDU responsible for this action although TDU members may be involved.

In my opinion, anyone who would have walked out for anything related to an issue that has been going on for years, and years and years has made a big mistake.

Teamsters working of the clock is an issue that is a well known, long term, chronic problem.

I would never have recommended anyone walkout over an issue that appears to be a contract violation and a violation of federal labor laws that is apparently and has been an acceptable practice by a company management and business unionists.

I agree with a radical approach to correcting this issue but it should start with the union challenging the company sympathizer members.

Unfortunately this is very difficult within the business unionism model because the leaders of unions under this model tend to sympathize with the leaders of big business.

Sincerely,
I

 

[O/C]

I have reviewed many of the posts in this thread.

Not all but many.

I do not support the action taken by this Local.

I support TDU in principle but not financially. (I am not a member at this time.)

The "Business Unionism" model that the Teamsters pretty much adhere to needs some form of checks and balances.

I believe the TDU is at least an attempt at this.

It has its problems like any organization of humans, but "Business Unionism" needs to be irradiated for unions to truly function to represent the workers and not the Organization.

This being said I believe this action by this local was irresponsible. I do not hold the TDU responsible for this action although TDU members may be involved.

In my opinion, anyone who would have walked out for anything related to an issue that has been going on for years, and years and years has made a big mistake.

Teamsters working of the clock is an issue that is a well known, long term, chronic problem.

I would never have recommended anyone walkout over an issue that appears to be a contract violation and a violation of federal labor laws that is apparently and has been an acceptable practice by a company management and business unionists.

I agree with a radical approach to correcting this issue but it should start with the union challenging the company sympathizer members.

Unfortunately this is very difficult within the business unionism model because the leaders of unions under this model tend to sympathize with the leaders of big business.

Sincerely,
I

It was called "collusion" at one time. I understand your opinion about TDU, you need them to establish a two party system sort of like the Republicans and Democrats.

 

[HEFFERNAN]

One thing that is not being brought up

UPS lost millions of dollars !! MILLIONS because of this wildcat.
Everyone is concentrating on the 200+ driver terminations (as well as myself as a driver).
I think these terminations will be held over their heads until UPS recoups that lost money. I have a feeling Hoffa knows this. which is why I have not seen a statement from him on this incident yet.

I do hope this turns out well for our fellow stressed-out drivers.

 

[member6045]

I have reviewed many of the posts in this thread.

Not all but many.

I do not support the action taken by this Local.

I support TDU in principle but not financially. (I am not a member at this time.)

The "Business Unionism" model that the Teamsters pretty much adhere to needs some form of checks and balances.

I believe the TDU is at least an attempt at this.

It has its problems like any organization of humans, but "Business Unionism" needs to be irradiated for unions to truly function to represent the workers and not the Organization.

This being said I believe this action by this local was irresponsible. I do not hold the TDU responsible for this action although TDU members may be involved.

In my opinion, anyone who would have walked out for anything related to an issue that has been going on for years, and years and years has made a big mistake.

Teamsters working of the clock is an issue that is a well known, long term, chronic problem.

I would never have recommended anyone walkout over an issue that appears to be a contract violation and a violation of federal labor laws that is apparently and has been an acceptable practice by a company management and business unionists.

I agree with a radical approach to correcting this issue but it should start with the union challenging the company sympathizer members.

Unfortunately this is very difficult within the business unionism model because the leaders of unions under this model tend to sympathize with the leaders of big business.

Sincerely,
I

Local 804 may have TDU members? The following have sat on the TDU board Tim, Jim and Liam which are the president, secretary treasurer and BA boy wonder who wrote this contract that we wait for!!! Like previous post bye a melliville driver! This is the 2nd time! Tim and co! has not informed members of dangers but continue flooding TDU with our money!! 2 in house lawyers that cost over 400k and there still losing cases! 60k in website and education? For what this! Resign! Maybe you can come back to maspeth! We still have your old broom

 

[JackStraw]

The whole point of this walkout was to try to get ups to adhere to the contact. Pure and simple.
There are no real reprucsions for Ups when they habitually violate the contract. The contract is binding...but there are no enforceable penalties in regards to losing ones livelihood when it comes to the company. This is at least partially the union's fault for not having stronger language in the contract; or even enforcing the existing language.

Examples for UPS employee violations and company violations and subsequent consequences.

Employee Violation:
UPS driver Casey James misses the handrail on an observation. (Company states "you have been trained and instructed on the methods and did not follow) 1st offense=warning notice, 2nd offense= 3 day suspension, 3rd offense=termination.

Company Violation:
UPS supervisor Nelson Oz forgets to post the start times required by the contract. (Steward states "you are required to post the start times"
1st offense=nothing 2nd offense=<nothing 3rd offense=<nothing 4th offense=nothing 5th offense=nothing 6th offense=retaliation in return for you bringing it up again.

The same concept x10 when it comes to anything construed as dishonesty.

Employee: You are discharged if there is anyway UPS can imply there is a 1%chance there was a possibility you ...........attempted to defraud the company, etc

Company Nothing except in rare instances when UPS is caught still holding the smoking gun.

Employees are getting fed up with this garbage. The more UPS tightens its grip, the more drivers will slip thru their strong handed behavior only to become more resilient. If any of these drivers are discharged; it will work counter to the fear UPS is trying to instill.


Walkouts or UPS employees informing the public or media of the treatment will only increase.

(Any similarity to actual persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.)

Yep. The company continually s all over the contract and knows there is nothing that can be done. Grievance? They LOL. Go ahead, we'll wait a year or two before it's heard. Yet we have to walk around looking over our shoulder worried if you don't put your flashers on while parked on a cul-de-sac that you'll get a warning letter. We need the union here there is no doubt about it, but it just doesn't have any teeth anymore.

 

[Stonefish]

Yep. The company continually s all over the contract and knows there is nothing that can be done. Grievance? They LOL. Go ahead, we'll wait a year or two before it's heard. Yet we have to walk around looking over our shoulder worried if you don't put your flashers on while parked on a cul-de-sac that you'll get a warning letter. We need the union here there is no doubt about it, but it just doesn't have any teeth anymore.

How in the hell does it take 2 years for a grievance to be heard?

 

[JackStraw]

TDU local or not, the IBT needs to step in for those DRIVERS. They were only following what their leaders told them to do. I'd hate to be a driver with 4 kids and a 30yr mortgage with this hanging over me.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Yep. The company continually s all over the contract and knows there is nothing that can be done. Grievance? They LOL. Go ahead, we'll wait a year or two before it's heard. Yet we have to walk around looking over our shoulder worried if you don't put your flashers on while parked on a cul-de-sac that you'll get a warning letter. We need the union here there is no doubt about it, but it just doesn't have any teeth anymore.

Could you Imagine if they pulled this crap 20 or 30 years ago? They drag you in the office for " no flashers" The steward would have pissed his pants ,from laughing so hard! What happened to our union?

 

[Stonefish]

TDU local or not, the IBT needs to step in for those DRIVERS. They were only following what their leaders told them to do. I'd hate to be a driver with 4 kids and a 30yr mortgage with this hanging over me.

My guess is the IBT will try to help the drivers. The sad thing is the administration doesn't support the IBT but they will want the IBT to support them. Which I'm sure the IBT will. Hoffa/Hall aren't so bad after all the don't let politics affect their judgement.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

My guess is the IBT will try to help the drivers. The sad thing is the administration doesn't support the IBT but they will want the IBT to support them. Which I'm sure the IBT will. Hoffa/Hall aren't so bad after all the don't let politics affect their judgement.

I hope you right about this! I have a mental picture ,in my head.......Hoffa & Hall throwing drivers under the bus!

 

[oldngray]

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

 

[Stonefish]

I hope you right about this! I have a mental picture ,in my head.......Hoffa & Hall throwing drivers under the bus!

That's a shame people have that thought about them when the Local was the irresponsible ones. Hoffa/Hall will, in my opinion, do everything in their power to help those drivers. The reality of the situation is the Local put everyone in a bad situation and the IBT gets slammed. That's wrong

 

[bigd]

That's a shame people have that thought about them when the Local was the irresponsible ones. Hoffa/Hall will, in my opinion, do everything in their power to help those drivers. The reality of the situation is the Local put everyone in a bad situation and the IBT gets slammed. That's wrong

Local804 membership should be asking for the executive board resignation!
So that IBT can step in and safe the drivers!...

 

[Anonymous 12]

How in the hell does it take 2 years for a grievance to be heard?

That's * etarted

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

TDU local or not, the IBT needs to step in for those DRIVERS. They were only following what their leaders told them to do. I'd hate to be a driver with 4 kids and a 30yr mortgage with this hanging over me.

If this were indeed true then why didn't the whole building walk? These drivers knew full well that what they were doing may cost them their jobs. No one put a gun to their heads and forced them to walk off the job.

My guess is the IBT will try to help the drivers. The sad thing is the administration doesn't support the IBT but they will want the IBT to support them. Which I'm sure the IBT will. Hoffa/Hall aren't so bad after all the don't let politics affect their judgment.

Why should they? The drivers knew that their supplement strictly prohibited what their BA was telling them to do yet they went ahead and walked anyway. Job abandonment.

What about the drivers who did the right thing by working that day? What should the IBT do for those drivers, especially if the union is able to get back pay for the drivers who walked?

I'm sorry if I come across as sounding harsh but these are grown men and women who are capable of making up their own minds. If they are foolish enough to listen to a rogue BA then they deserve to lose their jobs.

 

[stink219]

How in the hell does it take 2 years for a grievance to be heard?

This is what amazes me. Why is local 804 having such a hard time with this? I've never heard of an area that had so many terminations and grievance issues. Was it like this for decades or a few years? How long?


Every excuse I ever heard made perfect sense to the person who made it.

 

[Johney]

Unfortunately the drivers who did work that day may be branded as scabs by their fellow workers. I would hope not.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Unfortunately the drivers who did work that day may be branded as scabs by their fellow workers. I would hope not.

That's the problem-----a house already in turmoil will be further divided.