UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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I would think in a bldg. that large there would be more than 250 drivers.
Local 804 Drivers Walked Out
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I would think in a bldg. that large there would be more than 250 drivers.
Anonymous 12
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It was a joke for realbrown1.
bleedinbrown58
That’s Craptacular
browned out
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What can be done to stop the constant harassment and the blatant misuse of the dishonesty clause? We literally have no recourse. The union sucks.
We had a driver that was told he was extending his lunch period. The driver knew he did not and asked numerous times for the delivery records that would prove he did not. He was told the records no longer exist. The driver filed a harassment grievance and the company did not even have to admit this was harassment. The "extended lunch talk with" is still in this employees file.
The harassment and dishonest use of the dishonesty clause by UPS needs to stop. Our members do not need to be on 3 day- 9 day or weeks suspension reduced from termination due to this garbage.
Stonefish
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You would think but you don't know
HEFFERNAN
Huge Member
Just to put things in perspective, for one firing to lynchpin a mob wildcat strike, there has got to be a monumental amount of pressure in that building. My building has 2 centers and probably tops 150 drivers. The harassment level + unprocessed grievances + excessive firings + telematics + hot headed management + brass-balled union honchos = a place I would never want to work at.
I think we are lucky I guess to be in a building that has cool heads on both sides. This sounds like a terrible environment to be employed in.
CharleyHustle
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I'm not trying to take sides, but this whole episode seems to be people expecting a whole lot more than the union, any union can provide. Do you seriously believe that this is the only building that UPS plays "LETS FIRE SOME DRIVERS TODAY".
What I cant't see is how did it get to this point in this building? These employees should know, and certainly their officials should know, is that change is a long drawn out process, and the deck is stacked against the employee no matter how well the contract is written. The number one lesson of unionism is grieve now, take action later.
I remember long ago when we got the right to 8hr requests. If you got over dispatched, too bad, deliver till you are done. If you brought stops back you got trouble. It took years of grievances and documentation, and waiting, until we finally won through the grievance procedure the right to bring stops back if we are over dispatched on 8hr requests.
The only thing I've heard so far is that they want you to use the hand rail every time and put your 4ways on in a cul-de-sac, do you really think that this is different everywhere else? Is this building the only one UPS wants the employees to work as directed? If it is so horrible in this building, why are the drivers back to work at all? Why are they still not out and walking a picket line?
Once again, I don't want to take sides, I want to support these drivers, but you are going to have to come up with something better than the company is making them do stuff that everyone else already is contractually obligated to do.
Oh it's definitely coming to mine!! But WHY have they been going through this? Why isn't UPS this bad everywhere? Why 804? I don't think anyone is putting blame on the drivers at all. I'm blaming the judgement of 804. Not just in this incident, but in the past as well.
Every excuse I ever heard made perfect sense to the person who made it.
And you are the antithesis of that. An anti-union TDU rooster gobbler. The TDU is like The Great and Powerful Oz. Once you reveal the man behind the green curtain, you really expose him for who he truly is. A con artist. Selling hopes and dream, elixirs and snake oils, in the hopes that you will need and believe them. The tell you what to do, then run and hide back behind that green, well maybe it's a RED curtain (some historians will get that). Go sell your TDU BS to the weak. I'll put my money on the Teamsters any day. Local 804, get rid of those guys. They will cost you everything, if they haven't already.
Every excuse I ever heard made perfect sense to the person who made it.
member6045
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Very well said! The problem in local 804 is new reformers? Aka TDU claimed they would fight ups to the death! No surrendering!!! The reformers! TDU nuts bought it hook, line and sinker!! The reformers where so removed from the membership that they had no clue what a diad is and where is the time clock to punch in or out. Bye the way? Tim hasn't said one word publicly since this happened. At least TDU has responded for Tim with that news letter!! Damage control has started!! Wonder how much this is gonna cost local 804 to have TDU put there PR spin on this to attempt to put the raging fire out?
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You know me...
It's the backyard effect. There's no secret that TDUers and Old Guard officials fight and struggle for power within the union. But what we all have in common is, we're all teamsters. When the outside entity comes in, we stop fighting, kick their ass collectively, then go back to fighting with eachother. Just like brothers growing up and fighting in the back yard...
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804 member
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While I support our brothers that will lose their jobs because of Liam, I am still waiting for our hall to officially say they friend'ed up. Take responsibility for your 2nd huge mistake in 2 years. Stop blaming the drivers. They followed someone they trusted. They MUST know better now!
804 member
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Catatonic
Nine Lives
Yep, I'd walk out over this.
LagunaBrown
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Work now grieve later is the golden rule Brother. If it was truly an unjust termination then the employee files on it and it is up to the BA to get the employee back to work with back pay (no matter how long it takes). If that does not work the Employee can seek legal advice if he was wronged. My concern is why did the BA need drivers to risk their livelihood for him not handling business? The BA should be smart enough to do it on his own and not rely on the members.... That is his job. The whole walk out in solidarity was impressive but not smart....... This is a game of chess not checkers, you can not jump steps and expect the IBT to save you. There is a reason the Navy Seals use the phrase "Slow is smooth..... smooth is fast”......... Because lives depend on making the right moves.
not what i voted for
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Thank Buhlert for their return! The majority of 804 members voted against Sylvester!
member6045
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I received a text from a driver to check out 804 website!!! Omg bad move on executive board again!!! They are bringing in political advocate people to fight ups! All negotiating is done! You just affected 249 families in the worst way!
