Local 804 Drivers Walked Out

stink219

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Island, your correct. UPS can't fire every driver....at the same time. But what about Amazon? You don't think they have the cash to start delivering these packages? You don't think Obamacare affected the UPS healthcare issue? Stop talking like you know how to negotiate with the biggest company in our lot. This isn't the 90's. There is a reason you've gotten $12.90 in raises from Hoffa and Hall. Btw, I know you claim your not TDU (everyone says that who defends them) but you do know that TDU backed Hall for president? TDU regarded him as a skilled negotiator.
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Every excuse I ever heard made perfect sense to the person who made it.
 

Anonymous 12

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Island, your correct. UPS can't fire every driver....at the same time. But what about Amazon? You don't think they have the cash to start delivering these packages? You don't think Obamacare affected the UPS healthcare issue? Stop talking like you know how to negotiate with the biggest company in our lot. This isn't the 90's. There is a reason you've gotten $12.90 in raises from Hoffa and Hall. Btw, I know you claim your not TDU (everyone says that who defends them) but you do know that TDU backed Hall for president? TDU regarded him as a skilled negotiator. View attachment 11626


Every excuse I ever heard made perfect sense to the person who made it.
hall is a skilled negotiator a great union man and I'm glad he's on our side. He's never claimed to be perfect and he admitted he messed up but he is a good one. Like forgot TDU wanted him. There like a crazy ex girlfriend.
 

member6045

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The best thing that we can do for the 249 Teamsters that are losing there jobs due to the incompetence of our executive board is to contact Joint council 16 [email protected]
(212) 604-9552. Tell them that the Executive board has put our members in harms way and has proven incompetent and unable to preform there duties.
 

proud teamster

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Don't forget the arbitrators ruling from the melville suspensions. Something Tim forgot to mention to us, if this ever where to happen again, UPS will have the sole discretion to fire drivers with no arbitration. The BA knew this and still put drivers at risk.
 

Stonefish

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Don't forget the arbitrators ruling from the melville suspensions. Something Tim forgot to mention to us, if this ever where to happen again, UPS will have the sole discretion to fire drivers with no arbitration. The BA knew this and still put drivers at risk.
where can we get a copy of the arbitration
 

not what i voted for

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Don't forget the arbitrators ruling from the melville suspensions. Something Tim forgot to mention to us, if this ever where to happen again, UPS will have the sole discretion to fire drivers with no arbitration. The BA knew this and still put drivers at risk.

Call the IRB this BA brought reproach on Local 804 and 250 drivers by telling them to walk out and knew they could be fired with no recourse!
 

Stratocaster

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The best thing that we can do for the 249 Teamsters that are losing there jobs due to the incompetence of our executive board is to contact Joint council 16 [email protected]
(212) 604-9552. Tell them that the Executive board has put our members in harms way and has proven incompetent and unable to preform there duties.

Instead of calling the joint council to inform them of UPS' continue effort to violate the contract they signed, we should call them on the E Board???????? That helps. smh. Way to attack the situation at its source. I'm sure when another E Board is in place, the company won't violate the contract.

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not what i voted for

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Instead of calling the joint council to inform them of UPS' continue effort to violate the contract they signed, we should call them on the E Board???????? That helps. smh. Way to attack the situation at its source. I'm sure when another E Board is in place, the company won't violate the contract.

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Are you one of the drivers being fired? You still fail to answer that question! What does your wife and family think about the possibility you will no longer have a job? Ask Liam how it felt when UPS fired him and how it affected his family. That is another reason people have no respect for him. Do you think Local 804 is going to hire 250 organizers.
 

Stratocaster

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Are you one of the drivers being fired? You still fail to answer that question! What does your wife and family think about the possibility you will no longer have a job? Ask Liam how it felt when UPS fired him and how it affected his family. That is another reason people have no respect for him. Do you think Local 804 is going to hire 250 organizers.

What the heck do you think? I'm special? Instead of us supporting each other here, we pointing the blame at each other. It's not US vs. The E Board, its the Teamsters vs. The Company. Right or Wrong, the E Board needs to be protect, just like us Drivers. In case you didn't know, UPS is trying to Bankrupt my Local. The company loves when we fight amongst each other. If a fellow employee does something stupid, worth firing, does a Steward allow him to hang or does he still defends that employee????

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Anonymous 12

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What the heck do you think? I'm special? Instead of us supporting each other here, we pointing the blame at each other. It's not US vs. The E Board, its the Teamsters vs. The Company. Right or Wrong, the E Board needs to be protect, just like us Drivers. In case you didn't know, UPS is trying to Bankrupt my Local. The company loves when we fight amongst each other. If a fellow employee does something stupid, worth firing, does a Steward allow him to hang or does he still defends that employee????

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Remember when I said ups would try and bankrupt the local. The international will put it in trusteeship then. You'll probably be better off as members then.
 

stink219

Well-Known Member
What the heck do you think? I'm special? Instead of us supporting each other here, we pointing the blame at each other. It's not US vs. The E Board, its the Teamsters vs. The Company. Right or Wrong, the E Board needs to be protect, just like us Drivers. In case you didn't know, UPS is trying to Bankrupt my Local. The company loves when we fight amongst each other. If a fellow employee does something stupid, worth firing, does a Steward allow him to hang or does he still defends that employee????

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You must be Tiny Tim. Quit. Your not fit to represent true Teamsters. Just resign and have a sausage on us.


Why does every TDU defender never admit they are TDU supporters?
 

member6045

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Instead of calling the joint council to inform them of UPS' continue effort to violate the contract they signed, we should call them on the E Board???????? That helps. smh. Way to attack the situation at its source. I'm sure when another E Board is in place, the company won't violate the contract.

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Either it's the Executive board or the 249 members!! If the board stays we will be bankrupt! UPS and the 249 members will sue and impose serious fines on the local which will leave it with absolutely nothing in the bank! Think of medical copays going up to $50 or higher!
 

Inthegame

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What the heck do you think? I'm special? Instead of us supporting each other here, we pointing the blame at each other. It's not US vs. The E Board, its the Teamsters vs. The Company. Right or Wrong, the E Board needs to be protect, just like us Drivers. In case you didn't know, UPS is trying to Bankrupt my Local. The company loves when we fight amongst each other. If a fellow employee does something stupid, worth firing, does a Steward allow him to hang or does he still defends that employee????

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Liam was out of line, but I will sign the petition. TDU or not, these drivers need support.
 

804brown

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Either it's the Executive board or the 249 members!! If the board stays we will be bankrupt! UPS and the 249 members will sue and impose serious fines on the local which will leave it with absolutely nothing in the bank! Think of medical copays going up to $50 or higher!

Once again we have the same old characters who come on here and recite the same old attacks on TDU and the E/B from Local 804 (Tim S's local). It is nothing new: attack their fellow union brothers and side with UPS in this whole matter.
You dividers are so blinded by your hatred of TDU and Tim's successes over the years, that you cannot be reasonable.

Once again, we have UPS firing a veteran driver while not allowing him without due cause or any touch of justice here. Once again UPS has violated our contract (which of course they do on a daily basis), but THIS TIME hundreds of members stood up and WALKED OUT and said : NO MORE...ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!
Illegal or not, this action symbolized a built up frustration of every union worker in this company (if not the country).

We have Hoffa/Hall scurrying on the sidelines quietly drinking the UPS kool aid and practically doing UPS's bidding. They were given a strong hand on the contract but instead they gave it all away at the table for "30 pieces of silver."

Is it right or "illegal" , maybe an arbitrator will say. But too many of us are sick and tired of UPS bullying tactics, harassment and intimidation. So we say: No More!!

I really hope this spreads to other buildings and other locals in other states. It is time to stand up ourselves. Some of our leaders refuse to lead (read: Hoffa and Hall, amongst other feckless leaders) and prefer to hide. Therefore it is our right and obligation to ourselves and our posterity to take control ourselves.

Im reading and hearing that important politicians and activists are joining the fight for justice here in our local. Public Advocate Patricia James is trying to push UPS to be reasonable and discuss a negotiated settlement between UPS and the union.

We've seen how Corporate America has gone after working families recently as well as reactionary, republican politicians going after public unions. This attack on working people must stop. It is unions that struggle to protect working people of this country. It is unions that struggle for dignity and respect.

You backstabbers are complicit with UPS' uncivil, unreasonable and immoral actions and policies.

Yes, 250 members walked out , but maybe its about time!!Fifty years ago or so it was "illegal" for blacks to sit at lunch counters in certain parts of this country. But it took brave people to stand up by sitting down for justice!! Some at lunch counters...some on buses.

Well, today 250 union members have stood up and said things must change here too!!

Old guard "leaders" never showed the way. They only hid for cover and accepted go along to get along, made a few deals and settled for below average and complacency time after time.

New leaders like Tim S , Zuckerman and others are blazing new trails for a better future for us all!! Now is not the time for breaking solidarity. The job now is to keep those members from being walked off the property for good. Only if we all stick together will this work. UPS is counting on selfish, individualistic members to bash their fellow brothers. Don't walk into their trap!! If management decides to officially fire 5 drivers tomorrow, 250 more of us should walk out the next day!

Ron Carey lead the fight in our local in the 1960s , 70s and 80s and by putting members first he was able to put the fear of god into management here! Not all of his wildcat strikes were successful but in the end management feared and respected him.

Liam got up on that light post telling his members the truth and what was at stake and the repercussions. He was our William Wallace. But they stood there ground and fought the good fight in Maspeth. Not just for the sake of Local 804 members but for all UPSers in this country . Someone had to!!

I'll end with a quote by Mario Savio: "When the operation of the machine becomes so odius, makes you sick at heart that you cant take part , you cant even passively take part and you got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels ...upon the leavers , upon all the apparatus and you got to make it stop and you got to indicate to the people who run it, and the people who own it that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!!"

REINSTATE THE MASPETH 250!!
 
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