Local 804 Drivers Walked Out

LagunaBrown

Well-Known Member
The drivers and members of local 804 will make their own call on who runs their local. Not you.

When did I say anything about WHO is running their local unless you either can't read or think Business Agents run locals.


"In this world, if you read the papers, darling, You know everybody's fighting with each other. You got no one you can count on, dear, Not even your own brother". Janis Joplin - (Get it while you can)
 

JadedBull

Member
I've been reading the contract more and more throughout these past weeks. I have also been searching the web. I am trying to figure out where we stand.
First, i really think a few of you on here are management. Especially when calling for any resignations of our Union Officers and upset at Liam for winning grievances.
Second, the grievance procedure, i found out, has two "avenues" if you will. One for contract interpretation violations and another for disciplinary violations.

Liam is getting the contract interpretation violations paid, as it shows in the magazine (9.5, sups working, etc.). One of the many reasons we like him here in Maspeth (Liam keeps getting me checks!). I said it before, he is a fighter and he makes us feel better when he is here.

What Liam was angry about was UPS violating the disciplinary grievance procedure. He yelled it loud and clear! Many times! Non-working 72's ( which I can't find anywhere in the contract- maybe one of you supes on here can point it out) and no proven or admitted dishonesty. I found Liam's points under article 12:

ARTICLE 12 SUSPENSION OR DISCHARGE

Section 1 - Immediate Suspension or Discharge

The following shall be causes for immediate suspension or discharge of an employee: drinking, or proven or admitted dishonesty. See Article 18, Section 1 (a).

(Then this part refers you exactly to the grievance procedure in article 18)

In cases not involving the theft of money or merchandise an employee will remain on the job until a hearing is held with the business agent. Such hearing will take place within 72 hours

(It says members stay on the job! It seems this non- working 72 stuff is made up!!)

I am no lawyer by far, and not trying to be a locker room lawyer either, it just seems that Liam was right.

Article 18.5 says the company can have there way with us if the walkout is illegal. So if what Liam did is legal, (like I said I am no lawyer so I hope someone intelligent and experienced weighs in on this) then it is the members who finally had their way with the company (listen to the cheers at the end of the video! Even after Liam predicts what UPS will do- discharge, get rid of him,- someone yells It's about time!)

We finally found out that UPS is trying to ban Liam from the buildings and the Union is fighting it without raising more hell first. I don't know what you think, but it looks to me that you only ban someone who you perceive to be a threat! Does UPS feel Liam might have done something legal?

It's true that when the company bans the B.A., says we are all fired, and keeps us in limbo, that it will create some fear (probably why UPS did these three things). They even started all our stewards up early to reloop areas right after the protest (keep stewards away from members, more fear mongering?). I have kept my mind off fear with all the contract reading and web browsing. Don't forget the arbitration posted here by "news", thanks again, said the union has a right to strike if the company does not abide by the procedures prescribed for settling disputes and differences.

I am from Maspeth. I was there that day and saw it first hand. I talk to the drivers everyday since it happened. Are we nervous about the unknown? Yes, who wouldn't be, but We support what Liam did then and Tim and the rest of the board is doing now! These petitions are gathering political support, joint council and IBT support, and country wide support! (teamsterslocal804) read it for yourselves.

We only want UPS talking with the Union, your support on the petitions, and a building meeting now to see what's next!!
 

CharleyHustle

Well-Known Member
In cases not involving the theft of money or merchandise an employee will remain on the job until a hearing is held with the business agent. Such hearing will take place within 72 hours

Why haven't the fired drivers had their hearing? If the strike was legal, the union should have pushed to have all 249 hearings within the 72 hours.
 

Inthegame

Well-Known Member
Why haven't the fired drivers had their hearing? If the strike was legal, the union should have pushed to have all 249 hearings within the 72 hours.
It appears the union believes UPS has violated the CBA and continues to violate by not following the rules which precipitated the walkout. UPS feels they did nothing wrong. What weve got here...
 

LagunaBrown

Well-Known Member
Wouldn't clearing these drivers be condoning their participation in an illegal wildcat strike? What about the drivers who did the right thing and went on road that day?

There is clearly not 100% agreement that these drivers should be cleared.

Why would any dues paying member not back the drivers up? It's not like they did it without a Business Agent there. If the drivers walked out while Agent was telling them to go back to work it would be different. You would think the weight of their actions would be on the Agents shoulders and it would be up to the local to prove his contract interpretation was correct. Obviously the B.A. can end up a hero or a goat but that is not for us to decide.


"In this world, if you read the papers, darling, You know everybody's fighting with each other. You got no one you can count on, dear, Not even your own brother". Janis Joplin - (Get it while you can)
 

UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)

Well-Known Member
If the drivers walked out while Agent was telling them to go back to work it would be different.

From what I have read here the BA gathered a bunch of the drivers together inside the building, told them of the firing, and talked them in to staging the walk-out. This was caught on tape by one of the UPS security cameras. Once they were outside the BA got cold feet and told them that the walk-out was illegal, that it could cost them their jobs and that they should all go back to work as they had already punched in and were on the clock at that time. It was at that point that each of the 249 had a decision to make----they all chose to stay outside and were promptly and justifiably terminated. Keep in mind that there were drivers who did not participate in the walk-out, did the right thing and went on road. Had it been a legal and union-sanctioned work stoppage every driver would have walked.

We have had 3 drivers fired since the first of the year and at no time did any of us even consider the possibility of walking out in a mass protest.
 

JackStraw

Well-Known Member
Can someone post the arbitr
The best thing that happened on this thread was that someone posted the Melville arbitration for everyone to read. That decision was March 2012. So I hope that everyone has read that and they will know what a bag of wind you are.
Sylvester can fire Liam for brining reproach on Local 804 by not putting the drivers back when he was told to and knowingly violating an arbitrators decision which put 250 drivers in the position they are in.
If Sylvester had balls he would fire Liam and show the membership he is concerned with their futures.
Read the Arbitration !
Can't seem to find it. Can someone repost? Thanks.
 

Stonefish

Well-Known Member
From what I have read here the BA gathered a bunch of the drivers together inside the building, told them of the firing, and talked them in to staging the walk-out. This was caught on tape by one of the UPS security cameras. Once they were outside the BA got cold feet and told them that the walk-out was illegal, that it could cost them their jobs and that they should all go back to work as they had already punched in and were on the clock at that time. It was at that point that each of the 249 had a decision to make----they all chose to stay outside and were promptly and justifiably terminated. Keep in mind that there were drivers who did not participate in the walk-out, did the right thing and went on road. Had it been a legal and union-sanctioned work stoppage every driver would have walked.

We have had 3 drivers fired since the first of the year and at no time did any of us even consider the possibility of walking out in a mass protest.

Because you're in management
 

Anonymous 12

Non active member
From what I have read here the BA gathered a bunch of the drivers together inside the building, told them of the firing, and talked them in to staging the walk-out. This was caught on tape by one of the UPS security cameras. Once they were outside the BA got cold feet and told them that the walk-out was illegal, that it could cost them their jobs and that they should all go back to work as they had already punched in and were on the clock at that time. It was at that point that each of the 249 had a decision to make----they all chose to stay outside and were promptly and justifiably terminated. Keep in mind that there were drivers who did not participate in the walk-out, did the right thing and went on road. Had it been a legal and union-sanctioned work stoppage every driver would have walked.

We have had 3 drivers fired since the first of the year and at no time did any of us even consider the possibility of walking out in a mass protest.
What did they get fired for??
 

bleedinbrown58

That’s Craptacular
Yes please post something valuable,like Upstate does!....lol...just kidding
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3 done 3 to go

In control of own destiny
As i Stated before there is no way in hell ups can fire 250 drivers. If they are still working. It's not happening. I just honor all for making the decision to walk off. Or,not. If anything --ups will need to change management. There will be no respect among the ranks. Either side
 
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