Local 804 Drivers Walked Out

[bigd]

You are doing exactly what UPS wants to happen: you are trying to divide our union. If you are "for the 250" then you must support the board. If you are for the board, then you are for the 250. This is no time to play political games and the blame game. Time to show some real solidarity. Plus read Article 18 Section 2. Liam did what he was FORCED to do and that is stand up for his members!!

804brown, any descent or criticism by a member against TDU or TDU local is political?
What happen to TDU's notion of getting members involved?
May I remind you that no one told this Eboard to execute a wildcat strike!
You are a farce!...

 

[you aint even know it]

You are doing exactly what UPS wants to happen: you are trying to divide our union. If you are "for the 250" then you must support the board. If you are for the board, then you are for the 250. This is no time to play political games and the blame game. Time to show some real solidarity. Plus read Article 18 Section 2. Liam did what he was FORCED to do and that is stand up for his members!!

You are doing exactly what UPS wants to happen: you are trying to divide our union. If you are "for the 250" then you must support the board. If you are for the board, then you are for the 250. This is no time to play political games and the blame game. Time to show some real solidarity. Plus read Article 18 Section 2. Liam did what he was FORCED to do and that is stand up for his members!!

I respect Liam, I actually thing that he's a great guy who really cares about us. But you just dont do things like that. Thats a bad move. He should have followed the strike process. I support the board for as of right now, but if these 250 drivers end up getting fired, or our local get hit with a lot of fines; then there needs to be changes in our board right after.

 

[realbrown1]

804brown, any descent or criticism by a member against TDU or TDU local is political?
What happen to TDU's notion of getting members involved?
May I remind you that no one told this Eboard to execute a wildcat strike!
You are a farce!...

And your blind hatred for this E-BOARD in unjustified.

 

[realbrown1]

What do you mean 50 would do this again? Illegally strike again?

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What date did this get declared an "ILLEGAL STRIKE"?
Because it looks like they are still fighting over it.

 

[realbrown1]

I say these drivers start saving up their paychecks. I think there needs to be changes in our board for this very ignorant move.

The troll wants the 250 drivers fired and the e-board replaced.
Stink, stonefish and bigd, you have a new partner---you aint even know it, wants to be part of you group.

 

[you aint even know it]

The troll wants the 250 drivers fired and the e-board replaced.
Stink, stonefish and bigd, you have a new partner---you aint even know it, wants to be part of you group.

Where I said any of the above?

 

[Johnny Paycheck]

It appears that about 250 FT spots just opened up in 804. Front page says they were all shown the door as of today.

The Working Families party started a petition for them, it has 45,000 sigs.
http://petitions.moveon.org/workingfamilies/sign/ups-drivers-fired-for?source=none&fb_test=0

 

[rod]

To all those who said UPS would never fire 250 drivers at the same time---take this as a lesson. NEVER say UPS wouldn't do something. They will prove you wrong every time.

 

['Lord Brown's bidding']

Why was the original driver fired? The last reason given in this thread was he was punching in in the morning but not actually doing thing. That's dishonesty with the intent to defraud the company, and is a cardinal offense, i.e. no provision for a grievance procedure. Thus, it would be a tragic cause of the termination of the Maspeth 250.

OTOH, sheeting a package while not at a stop, while dishonest, is not done with the intention of defrauding the company (the actual words used in the master). Hence, no driver should ever be terminated for doing so based on a charge of dishonesty. That would fall under "failure to follow methods and procedures, and not being a cardinal offense, must go through the process. That seems so simple.

Any driver "terminated" for dishonesty that doesn't involve defrauding the company should not only get their job back, but be given back pay as well. If they don't have any discipline in the last 9 months it should be reduced to at most a warning letter, if not "a meeting with the manager and the Steward"!

 

[Johney]

It appears that about 250 FT spots just opened up in 804. Front page says they were all shown the door as of today.

The Working Families party started a petition for them, it has 45,000 sigs.
http://petitions.moveon.org/workingfamilies/sign/ups-drivers-fired-for?source=none&fb_test=0

What did they all expect? That clown hanging on the pole said they may all get fired for this. Guess he was right.

 

[Brown Spider]

804brown, any descent or criticism by a member against TDU or TDU local is political?
What happen to TDU's notion of getting members involved?
May I remind you that no one told this Eboard to execute a wildcat strike!
You are a farce!...

I think you mean dissent, although it actually scares me that I'm starting to figure out what you're trying to say. And please, read the damn contract...specifically Article 4, Section 18. The strike was legal! Despite your consistent attacks on Local 804 and the drivers who took action, it is UPS, and UPS alone, who is responsible for the 2 hour legal work stoppage.

 

[Brown Spider]

It appears that about 250 FT spots just opened up in 804. Front page says they were all shown the door as of today.

The Working Families party started a petition for them, it has 45,000 sigs.
http://petitions.moveon.org/workingfamilies/sign/ups-drivers-fired-for?source=none&fb_test=0

That did not happen and the petition does not say that. The petition refers to the original "working termination" that the 250 Maspeth drivers were put on.

 

['Lord Brown's bidding']

I think you mean dissent, although it actually scares me that I'm starting to figure out what you're trying to say. And please, read the damn contract...specifically Article 4, Section 18. The strike was legal! Despite your consistent attacks on Local 804 and the drivers who took action, it is UPS, and UPS alone, who is responsible for the 2 hour legal work stoppage.

That depends on why the original driver was fired. Stealing company time is technically a cardinal offense. Was that why he was fired?

 

[oldngray]

I think most of the 250 will get their jobs back but lose pay for time off. And this will be a big strike against them so that big axe will be hanging overhead for any little offense. If they thought they had harassment before they haven't seen a thing yet. UPS has a clear shot to do anything they want there and the union won't dare to stand up to them. That is just my opinion anyway. A few token ringleaders may be terminated for good though.

 

[Stratocaster]

I'm working, what the heck are you talking about. You should've read the article fully before posting misinformation.

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[not what i voted for]

I think most of the 250 will get their jobs back but lose pay for time off. And this will be a big strike against them so that big axe will be hanging overhead for any little offense. If they thought they had harassment before they haven't seen a thing yet. UPS has a clear shot to do anything they want there and the union won't dare to stand up to them. That is just my opinion anyway. A few token ringleaders may be terminated for good though.

The bad thing is that another BA did something similar and the drivers received 3 days and 2 stewards were fired but got their jobs back no back pay. Read the arbitration it is posted on this thread. That is why members are really critical of the BA and if you saw the youtube video he told them maybe you can be fired. Why didn't he think of that before he took the drivers outside or tell the drivers that before they left the building! I support the drivers 100% I am not siding with UPS we all know that UPS breaks the contract every day. If Local 804 is fed up with Contract Violations and UPS didn't settle the 400 grievances at the National Panel, there are 12 other buildings where the contract and grievance procedure is being violated so lets all join in the fight why only Maspeth?

 

[bleedinbrown58]

The bad thing is that another BA did something similar and the drivers received 3 days and 2 stewards were fired but got their jobs back no back pay. Read the arbitration it is posted on this thread. That is why members are really critical of the BA and if you saw the youtube video he told them maybe you can be fired. Why didn't he think of that before he took the drivers outside or tell the drivers that before they left the building! I support the drivers 100% I am not siding with UPS we all know that UPS breaks the contract every day. If Local 804 is fed up with Contract Violations and UPS didn't settle the 400 grievances at the National Panel, there are 12 other buildings where the contract and grievance procedure is being violated so lets all join in the fight why only Maspeth?

I agree sir, all 12 buildings should give notice and strike for the 249 fired drivers....and other contract violations.

 

[BCFan]

I think you mean dissent, although it actually scares me that I'm starting to figure out what you're trying to say. And please, read the damn contract...specifically Article 4, Section 18. The strike was legal! Despite your consistent attacks on Local 804 and the drivers who took action, it is UPS, and UPS alone, who is responsible for the 2 hour legal work stoppage.

Help me are you sure about that article 4 section 18? Could not find that in
Master!

 

[Brown Spider]

Help me are you sure about that article 4 section 18? Could not find that in
Master!

2 problems! 1) I posted the wrong article, it's Article 18, Section 4. 2) It's in the Local 804 Supplement, not the Master. You can find it on the 804 website.

 

[Catatonic]

Appears drivers who walked out have been fired ... Teamsters determined to get their jobs back:
http://www.browncafe.com/community/...r-protesting-termination.355418/#post-1294507

http://queenstribune.com/ups-fires-250-drivers-for-protesting-termination/