UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Dumbasses.
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Local 804 Drivers Walked Out
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bleedinbrown58
That’s Craptacular
It's on the internet, it must be true! Glad you guys are still working.
From what I've seen of Tiny Tim, he hasn't ran in years!
~A liar knows that he is a liar, but one who speaks mere portions of truth in order to deceive is a craftsman of destruction.~
I heard rumors that they actually got fired today before it was posted on the internet. Mmmmm, I hope you guys are still working.
Indecisi0n
Well-Known Member
How are they terminated but still working?
Jackburton
Gone Fish'n
This happens a lot more than you think. One of the reasons, in other weaker cases, the company fears the case against the employee is weak and doesn't want to risk back pay. This is also done more often to employees they know can last awhile being "sat out", that are financially able to.
If you don't think management keeps tabs on those they know they can "sit out" to teach a lesson, you're naive. Best way to prevent this type of intimidation is keep your finances to yourself or act like you're smart with your money.
'Lord Brown's bidding'
Well-Known Member
Article 7 of the NMA (hence those who work under that provision are called "article 7s", eg. "I wonder if they'll let Joe work as an "Article 7", or make him sit it out at home. ")
JadedBull
Member
I have too few posts to share a link, so go to Queens Courier to get an article that quotes the initial drivers story from the Maspeth 250. Here is part of it copied and pasted.
The first demonstration protested the firing of Jairo R, a UPS employee of 24 years. UPS showed Reyes no love on Valentine’s Day, when he was fired, escorted out of the facility, and had his employee card taken away.
Teamsters Local 804, which represents the workers, said Reyes should have had a hearing and meeting with his business agent before getting the hook.
Reyes filed a grievance with two co-workers before he was fired, arguing that junior workers were allowed to start earlier than their seniors, but the employee contract states earlier start times are based on seniority, Reyes said. He was fired officially for “admitted dishonesty” because he started his shifts earlier. But Reyes said a manager verbally okayed his punching-in early, starting from Jan. 6.
So there you have it. Now that the driver himself put it out there we can talk about it in more detail. No more speculation.
The first demonstration protested the firing of Jairo R, a UPS employee of 24 years. UPS showed Reyes no love on Valentine’s Day, when he was fired, escorted out of the facility, and had his employee card taken away.
Teamsters Local 804, which represents the workers, said Reyes should have had a hearing and meeting with his business agent before getting the hook.
Reyes filed a grievance with two co-workers before he was fired, arguing that junior workers were allowed to start earlier than their seniors, but the employee contract states earlier start times are based on seniority, Reyes said. He was fired officially for “admitted dishonesty” because he started his shifts earlier. But Reyes said a manager verbally okayed his punching-in early, starting from Jan. 6.
So there you have it. Now that the driver himself put it out there we can talk about it in more detail. No more speculation.
JadedBull
Member
Sounds like you nailed it Brown Spider! The company violated article 18 section 4. They didn't abide by the procedures prescribed for settling disputes and differences.
Our B.A. Was saying the whole time UPS violated the grievance procedure. According to the Queens Chronicle, the driver was canned without a hearing with the B.A. And they took his I.D. (the article in Q.C. says employee card- must be his I.D.). That's against article 12!
Liam had been shouting about no proven or admitted dishonesty and non-working 72's (taken off the job without a hearing with the B.A.). Seems like it violates National Article 7 also.
Our B.A. Was saying the whole time UPS violated the grievance procedure. According to the Queens Chronicle, the driver was canned without a hearing with the B.A. And they took his I.D. (the article in Q.C. says employee card- must be his I.D.). That's against article 12!
Liam had been shouting about no proven or admitted dishonesty and non-working 72's (taken off the job without a hearing with the B.A.). Seems like it violates National Article 7 also.
bleedinbrown58
That’s Craptacular
Go back and read post #1055..they are under working termination, and are still working as of yesterday.
realbrown1
Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
A similar thing happened to me back when I was part-time. Finished my pre-load shift, was getting into my browns for my air driving shift, everything was ready, and I had a lot of NDA's, so I asked if I could start early, my pre-load supervisor said, "Sure."
When I got back to the building they were ready to fire me for clocking in before my start time.
When I told them my pre-load supervisor OK'd it, they asked him, and the funny thing was he couldn't remember giving me the OK to start early.
Thank god we had an awesome BA back then, saved my job. Saved my job, when I did nothing wrong.
You guys fight this. Not only to secure your jobs, but to stop this kind of BS from happening to you the rest of your careers. Good luck.
'Lord Brown's bidding'
Well-Known Member
Why would you ask the pre-load supe, who does not oversee the air operation?
With Reyes, I wonder if he asked to punch in early on Valentines Day, or did he assume, which led to this.
In any case, this isn't an open and shut case for UPS, as there is some ambiguity. This might end up being a big scare tactic to try and show who's boss, but no driver may lose their job.
With Reyes, I wonder if he asked to punch in early on Valentines Day, or did he assume, which led to this.
In any case, this isn't an open and shut case for UPS, as there is some ambiguity. This might end up being a big scare tactic to try and show who's boss, but no driver may lose their job.
I totally agree. If he was given the ok by management to start early and was actually WORKING, then why should he have been fired for "stealing time"??
Indecisi0n
Well-Known Member
So the employees work as terminated while UPS finds replacements? Wouldn't it hurt the company more if all the drivers just went home?
bleedinbrown58
That’s Craptacular
Probably, but the drivers still have to put food on the table...
Indecisi0n
Well-Known Member
I'm spiteful my ass would be at home with my socks.
bleedinbrown58
That’s Craptacular
Lmao...you gonna pay your rent in crunchy socks?
Indecisi0n
Well-Known Member
I'm considered one of the "smarter drivers". I would survive off unemployment until I found another job. I don't live check to check and I don't blow my money on stupid things.
bleedinbrown58
That’s Craptacular
The exception being tube socks, of course...lol
