Indecisi0n
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I just use those crunchy socks a few extra times. After they are done you can use them as packaging material.
Local 804 Drivers Walked Out
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I just use those crunchy socks a few extra times. After they are done you can use them as packaging material.
bleedinbrown58
That’s Craptacular
Do you play with the used socks...like a sheet of bubble wrap?
Indecisi0n
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I always keep one and use it as a Frisbee for the dog.
bleedinbrown58
That’s Craptacular
It's more like a boomerang, no?
Indecisi0n
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Want me to send one to you?
This thread is way off topic!
bleedinbrown58
That’s Craptacular
Inde started it....but agreed.
member6045
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So the basic argument that the executive board has today is over the one driver! Which they could have went to arbitration over and possibly won? But please make the statement where the 248 drivers that walked out have a leg to stand on with previous ruling from Melville! Remember! Politicians are always looking for a mic that's on! It's free opportunity at another vote in the fall??
Remember? When a TDU local steps in poop! What do they do? Blame someone else!
Remember? When a TDU local steps in poop! What do they do? Blame someone else!
island1fox
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I have to agree with the posters that state the Business Agent made a very big mistake putting 250 Drivers in a discipline situation --possibly losing their jobs.
If the Company was wrong on Reyes --not giving him a hearing etc etc --ask for an accelerated arbitration ---let the legal system sort the incident out.
If the Company was wrong ---a second wrong --will not make the situation right.
While I feel for the 250 and their families ---Most fair people will realize that the Company has no choice but to go "hard line" on this ---otherwise you would have "wild cats" everyday across the system.
If the Company was wrong on Reyes --not giving him a hearing etc etc --ask for an accelerated arbitration ---let the legal system sort the incident out.
If the Company was wrong ---a second wrong --will not make the situation right.
While I feel for the 250 and their families ---Most fair people will realize that the Company has no choice but to go "hard line" on this ---otherwise you would have "wild cats" everyday across the system.
'Lord Brown's bidding'
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How would you be "spiting" the company? Article 7 is a concession for us, not them. They have a TCD just waiting to fill your shoes. In the last year we've brought back 7 to make seniority, and more may be coming.
I dont get it. The company breaks the contract on a daily basis over minor things. But there are times, when you can say "put in a grievance" only for so long. I think Liam hit that point where the rank and file and the union itself was just being disrespected to the point where strong action was necessary. He knew the consequences of his action. He didnt act irrationally. He purposefully and rightfully took action he believed was necessary to demonstrate to UPS that the blatant abuse and contract breaking was going to stop. Liam knows all about the grievance procedure. He's read past decisions. And nothing seems to put a check on UPS unless it is a strong action. UPS created that moment. But they figured they would once again be the bully and walk someone out for a non cardinal sin and try to make the union look weak and defenseless. Liam showed them this behavior WILL NOT BE TOLERATED ANYMORE!!
804 member
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But at the expense of the members? His job is to protect our jobs!
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not what i voted for
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He sure did with 250 drivers jobs. If he read the Melville arbitration what part did he not understand, he told them on the pole they could be fired. He showed UPS alright.
JadedBull
Member
He probably did read it. Thanks to "Local 804 news" we can all read it. I am not sure you did though. Looks like you skipped what the arbitrator writes in this part:
The language of the Agreement authorizes the
Union to engage in a job action only if the Company fails to abide by “the procedure for the settlement of disputes and differences,” and, as noted above, the Company abided by the settlement procedures.
In the Melville decision, the Company abided, this time they did not. A few of us have pointed this out here. Why are you skipping that part of the decision? I pointed it out before.
You are a union man rooting for us aren't you? You aren't one of those managers assigned to pose here and attack the Union are you?
We all had a choice that day. We followed Liam and decided to take a stand, where UPS would like us to stay on our knees.
ARTICLE 18
GRIEVANCE AND ARBITRATION PROCEDURE
Section 4 – No Strikes or Lockouts
(b) In the event of an alleged violation of this Section 5, either the Company or the Union shall have the right to waive the normal adjust- ment and arbitration provisions referred to in Article 18, Section 3, and submit, for immediate arbitration, the alleged violation of this section pursuant to the provisions of Section 3. Such dispute shall be submit- ted to arbitration within twenty-four (24) hours after receipt of notice by the American Arbitration Association and an award issued not later than twelve (12) hours after the conclusion of the hearing.
realbrown1
Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
Which TDU local is in trouble and blaming someone else?
I haven't heard that anywhere buy in all your posts.
realbrown1
Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
I think you left something out. Did you do it on purpose?
Section 4 - No Strikes or Lockouts
(a) The Union that it will not cause or permit its members to cause strikes of any kind, stoppages, or any other interference with any of the operations of the Company during the term of the Agreement, SO LONG AS THE COMPANY ABIDES BY THE PROCEDURE PRESCRIBED FOR THE SETTLEMENT OF DISPUTES AND DIFFERENCES AND THE DECISIONS OF THE ARBITRATORS AS PROVIDED IN THIS AGREEMENT.
Did the company abide by the procedure when it fired a driver for clocking in early? NOPE.
Funny how bigd could leave this part out. It's almost like he is trying to make the leadership of 804 look bad. He wouldn't want to do that, would he? Hell yes he would.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Were the potential consequences of taking said stand clearly spelled out for you guys?
Brown Spider
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Excellent point, JB! All this time that the UPS sympathizers have been saying that the Union should have learned something from the Melville arbitration, it was actually UPS that should have paying a bit more attention to the decision of the arbitrator! The Maspeth case was strong prior to this information and it is much stronger now! The arbitrator actually wrote in the Melville decision that The language of the Agreement authorizes the Union to engage in a job action only if the Company fails to abide by "the procedures for the settlement of disputes and differences" and, as noted above, the Company abided by the settlement procedures. That has been the Union position in Maspeth since the day of the walkout!
Nice job to Tim and Liam in doing all of their homework! This should let the Maspeth 250 have a bit less stressful day today! Not so much for member6045, bigd and not what i voted for.
