snookbunny420
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we as a brotherhood should all walk, all of us.
Local 804 Drivers Walked Out
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UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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snookbunny420
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well all but you ,
Johney
Pineapple King
So we all can be fired?
snookbunny420
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really? not enough sups to drive and unload and sort and supervise.
Johney
Pineapple King
I'm just saying. How many of those 250 drivers regret their decision they made on Feb. 26Th? Not all I'd bet, but I'd bet some do.
Citizen Insane
Member
Maspeth driver here... and new to the forum. What are the best case and worst case scenarios for these drivers regarding a resolution? Also, I don't quite understand what the Local plans to bring to the negotiating table that they're trying to get UPS to agree to sit down to. Unless we threaten to strike again... what's going to get UPS to bargain? They're basically in a position of absolute power right now and in the process of replacing everyone. Why make it easier for them to transition? We're all just playing Russian Roulette every day we show up for work.
Johney
Pineapple King
You all are once again put in a hard spot. If you don't show up your done. In the same breath do you really want to help a company who may end up firing you?
UPS Preloader
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In the meantime, I hope the part timers grieve the crap out of them if they don't follow the contracts inside/outside ratio when hiring all the new drivers and grieve all instances of supervisors performing bargaining unit work.
HEFFERNAN
Huge Member
LOL
Let's have an unsanctioned wildcat strike to screw UPS over because of a previous unsanctioned wildcat strike that screwed UPS over !!!
Can you taste the irony ??
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'Lord Brown's bidding'
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Many are going to want to know why the original driver was fired in the first place. Apparently he was fired for dishonesty involving stealing time. Many here claim that he had a right to the grievance process, but isn't that a cardinal infraction? I have yet to hear any real proof that the company did something wrong in connection with this driver, and that would mean that the strike was, in fact, illegal, and hence a strike by all drivers would be illegal.
How many drivers would support that? I'm not sure it would be enough.
How many drivers would support that? I'm not sure it would be enough.
Brown Spider
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Don't think that Ron ever met Martin Davis, Michael Ansara or Alphonse "Little Al" D'Arco. And I'm pretty sure that he lived to regret the day that he met Jere Nash!
But then again...the question is coming out of Providence, RI...home of Buddy Cianci, Stu Mundy and, last but not least, Stink219. Just gotta' tell ya' Stink, you picked one very appropriate screen name.
It really is a struggle they have to deal with everyday now. One way to deal with it would be if the rest of them all felt sick tomorrow. And maybe the next day.
Brown Spider
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I didn't say that "UPS has no more choices but Arbitration". What I said was the decision on termination was the last decision that UPS gets to make. They do have other choices. They can sit down with Local 804 and attempt to resolve this issue. Or, they can roll the dice and proceed to arbitration. If they choose the latter, it just may be UPS that is at the "Mercy of what an Arbitrator will decide". Whatever you have decided was the correct action to take that day just doesn't matter, does it? You haven't been elected to make those difficult calls.
And as far as you "would not want to be one of the 250", I'd have to agree with you on that! The Maspeth 250 showed a lot of courage. They showed that there comes a time when, after seeing countless grievances ignored by UPS and countless contract violations by UPS, there just comes a time when you have to take a stand. The Maspeth 250 took that stand. I'm sensing that, if you were there, they would have been the Maspeth 249. So much for "An injury to one is an injury to all".
How do you think it will look in the court of public opinion?
Brown Spider
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And when exactly did the "Ibt" tell Local 804 that? It was good of them to copy you on that correspondence. Can you share it with us? No? Didn't think so.
member6045
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What? You didn't get the email? Tim didn't forward it to you yet? Check your junk mail.
Will reformers be a group to give up our right to strike in 804.
The original driver was fired and walked out for allegedly changing his own start time. Even if this is true this is not stealing time. He was working. According to Reyes himself, he told his manager about a less senior driver starting before him and his manager said to start up early. It seems now the manager is denying that occurred. So they once again disregard our contract and walk this very senior driver (26 yrs), a former military man himself, for a non cardinal sin.
According to our supplement, strikes are illegal "so long as the Company abides by the procedure prescribed for the settlement of disputes and differences and the decisions of the arbitrators as provided in this agreement."
The way I see it, UPS did not abide by that procedure. Of course, it most cases UPS gets away with it. But Liam seemed to want to make a stand on this. He knew that Dave had jumped the gun a bit in Melville. But Liam waited for them to actually walk him out on that bogus charge and he made his move. An arbitrator will see this and re-instate reyes as well as the 248 other drivers.
UPS will fire all 250 eventually...what will happen in arbitration will happen...I doubt 10% of the drivers fired have enough in the savings account to wait even 3 months or so for a ruling( it took over 12 months to get 2 stewards their job back from Melville)...everyone agrees that UPS abuses the contract daily nationwide...unfortunately its their (UPS) mentality is to say grieve it because everything from the master contract to the supplement we have sux...we have given up so much in previous years and when this new supplement hits we will be given up more but that's a different thread...99% percent of drivers in Melville will never do another wildcat strike engineered by this local...the only way for a work stoppage would have to be Hoffa sanctioned and we all know that will never happen....this boards biggest cardinal sin is put 250 jobs in jeopardy for 1...and what hasn't been bought up so much is that I have heard from Dave O himself that the fired driver was a friend of this board...I wonder if Liam would have done the same thing for an anti-board member...but I hope they do figure a way for the drivers to get their jobs back asap...and I count myself lucky only to have received a 3 day suspension from the Melville wildcat and not get fired as my family and I cannot afford to lose a $90000/year job even though this company kicks u in the nuts everyday
'Lord Brown's bidding'
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How is that not "dishonesty with an intent to defraud the company (I.e. take money from the company be means of the dishonest act)"? That's a cardinal infraction, rendering everything else you mention moot.
According to the earlier story, he received permission to start early one day back in January, from an on-car, not the center manager or dispatch supe. He assumed he could do it the alleged infraction day as well. That's all muddled, and would have been sorted out with the grievance procedure, but wasn't the best reason to call a strike on because of the ambiguity in it.
