Local 804 Drivers Walked Out

[not what i voted for]

The daily news states that all 250 drivers are terminated and working until there replaced!! Are these men paying union dues???? If so why?? I believe the entire board should lose there salary and other liabilities that they receive from Our local til these drivers are back to work!!


Will reformers be a group to give up our right to strike in 804.

They will pay dues until they are no longer Teamsters.
The question is Local 804 employed the two stewards from Melville when they were fired are they going to do this for these drivers and if not why?
You need to file charges against Liam or whomever you feel have not done their job I am sure the IRB or IBT will investigate your charges.

 

['Lord Brown's bidding']

If the driver “spent his time sorting his own pkg car” he was working…How is that stealing time?…Bad time management..maybe….stealing time NO….he was WORKING…..Improper termination

Doesn't matter that he was working. He was accused of being dishonest in punching in early, and the sole purpose of that dishonesty was to "defraud the company", that is, profit by means of the defrauding. For all the reasons guys are walked off the job for "dishonesty", the only ones that are supposed to result in no back pay are defrauding cases.

I am not agreeing with the discipline. However, the company has a case against the driver. He would have gotten his job back. The walkout, however, was ill - advised. That is why UPS has leverage in firing the 250.

 

[Johney]

250 Teamsters getting fired not one word about it mentioned on the IBT website.Hoffa and Hall are you guys kidding me or what.The International Brotherhood Of Teamsters not supporting our brothers at this time of major need.(maybe just maybe the International has lawyers just like UPS advising them to stay out of the actions of a rouge local)If this is not a wake up call for unions in this country i don't know what is.Corporate America is watching this real close. If a major union leader like Hoffa sits back and lets this unfold without a fight unions are done my friends.(maybe, maybe not.Could end up being a certain local that's done.)This company violates our contract day in and day out, if we cant keep 250 Teamsters on the payroll for 90 minutes of a work stoppage(authorized? send em back to work. Unauthorized? See ya.One or the other has yet to be determined at this point.) we are beyond weak.Whether it was right or wrong we pay dues for leadership and somebody needs to step up to the plate before all these hardworking people wind up in the street with no means of supporting there families.(Whether it was right or wrong? Little late for that now isn't it? I feel for these people but they had a choice and we will find out in time if they made the right choice)

Just my 2 cents.

 

[realbrown1]

Fedupups


Thank you for posting the truth. Anyone who disagrees with Liam's actions and putting the drivers jobs in jeopardy on this thread is considered to be agreeing with UPS. I hope there is another solution to this that will saves these drivers jobs.

No one is saying that you can't judge Liam's actions. Just do it after all this is settled. We don't know what the final ruling will be.

That local is in for a big fight. Bigger than most locals have faced since 1997. Now is not the time to show divisiveness or to make decisions about the leadership of 804.

What you guys are doing is what scabs do. Thinking about what's best for them, not the whole of the teamsters.

 

[CharleyHustle]

What strengths has Hoffa Jr. ever showed?
He settles for mediocre contracts and acts more like a used car salesman than the president of a large union. He never has the balls to strike. At least not in the last 15 years.
Sometimes, it is like he is working for the company, instead of the membership.

Does this go for Hoffa and Hall and the IBT also?

No one is saying that you can't judge Liam's actions. Just do it after all this is settled.

 

[realbrown1]

Does this go for Hoffa and Hall and the IBT also?

If you are saying that there is a double standard when dealing with the IBT and dealing with 804's leadership, you have a weak argument.

The IBT is in no big fight right now. They can be judge by their present and past actions or in-actions.

804, as I said earlier, is in the fight of their lives. Hold off on the judgement until after the war is over.

Big difference.

 

[CharleyHustle]

If you are saying that there is a double standard when dealing with the IBT

No, I was asking, thanks for the answer.

 

[island1fox]

I didn't say that "UPS has no more choices but Arbitration". What I said was the decision on termination was the last decision that UPS gets to make. They do have other choices. They can sit down with Local 804 and attempt to resolve this issue. Or, they can roll the dice and proceed to arbitration. If they choose the latter, it just may be UPS that is at the "Mercy of what an Arbitrator will decide". Whatever you have decided was the correct action to take that day just doesn't matter, does it? You haven't been elected to make those difficult calls.

And as far as you "would not want to be one of the 250", I'd have to agree with you on that! The Maspeth 250 showed a lot of courage. They showed that there comes a time when, after seeing countless grievances ignored by UPS and countless contract violations by UPS, there just comes a time when you have to take a stand. The Maspeth 250 took that stand. I'm sensing that, if you were there, they would have been the Maspeth 249. So much for "An injury to one is an injury to all".

Brown Spider,

I would also agree on your point -That if I was there it would be the Maspeth 249--maybe !

All of us know in every building not ALL the drivers walk with the Angels.

If I was in Maspeth --I would have evaluated the facts before committing economic suicide for a pumped up BA.

If Jose was a constant problem in all areas--and was in fact found out to have committed the Cardinal Sin of Dishonesty --Why should I risk my entire family's welfare.

If Jose is innocent --the expedited Grievance Procedure would find him so ---The problem is now multiplied by 250.

 

[teamster 804]

Just watched news rally coverage on local news.To me did not go over well.The game plan of local of using a public advocate to stir the pot regarding to breaks and perks Ups gets from the city.The threat of decreasing these perks and breaks was met with a reply by Ups,stating these threats will basically effect all the rest of workers that they employee in NYC.They do not seem to be backing down.As we all know they run a heartless non appreciative operation as a company.Why would anyone actually think they would have any feelings of sympathy for turning 250 of there hard working employees and families lives upside down.It most likely brings them a twisted joy that they can ruin and disrupt all these peoples lives.Because that is the way they treat us as employees it is like we are just an employee id and replaceable if we don't like it.So hold on tight because we are dealing with a heartless ruthless corporation that is only looking to prove a point, not interested in the people involved.This is not the United Parcel Service of years ago.

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[oldngray]

UPS is committed now and put themselves into a position where they can't back down. And Atlanta wants to set an example here, so it will end up in arbitration and until then those drivers are just pawns getting screwed.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

Just watched news rally coverage on local news.To me did not go over well.The game plan of local of using a public advocate to stir the pot regarding to breaks and perks Ups gets from the city.The threat of decreasing these perks and breaks was met with a reply by Ups,stating these threats will basically effect all the rest of workers that they employee in NYC.They do not seem to be backing down.As we all know they run a heartless non appreciative operation as a company.Why would anyone actually think they would have any feelings of sympathy for turning 250 of there hard working employees and families lives upside down.It most likely brings them a twisted joy that they can ruin and disrupt all these peoples lives.Because that is the way they treat us as employees it is like we are just an employee id and replaceable if we don't like it.So hold on tight because we are dealing with a heartless ruthless corporation that is only looking to prove a point, not interested in the people involved.This is not the United Parcel Service of years ago.

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The threats also show hypocrisy on the part of unions. They cried foul when Volkswagen in Chattanooga was threatened in the same manner when an effort to unionize was taking place.

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[atatbl]

lmao. I love the OP. A bunch of union leadership urges these clowns to stop an unsanctioned strike and they refuse. These types of "work stoppages" are made up of individuals that do not deserve a union. I'm glad they have to find out what the real world is like where people don't just hand you things for nothing and there is actual accountability. Do these drivers think they're politicians or something? What type of individual would not foresee the consequences here when both sides are urging them to stop? I can tell you- the type of people that shouldn't be taking up jobs in a scarce workforce. There are people out there that actually take work seriously. We should hire them instead.

 

[WESLA]

It's sad to see that only after this deal was in the news, has everyone from every center started talking about it.
It was big news at my hub. Only a handful of us knew about it before today.

 

[804brown]

Its amazing how the corporate "news" media covers union events. An article on NBC news .com starts off with quotes from a UPS spokesman . Of the total of 9 paragraphs in the article, 6 paragraphs were dedicated to UPS' point of view.
Only one sided with the union and it was a quote by the NYC comptroller. They say they "Local 804 could not be reached for comment." ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? There was a picture of several union members at the press conference and rally AND THE PLACE WAS CRAWLING WITH LOCAL 804 MEMBERS AND UNION OFFICIALS BUT THEY COULDNT FIND ANY UNION OFFICIAL FROM LOCAL 804 TO COMMENT!!Are they kidding!! This is biased, lazy corporate media. But they had plenty of time and effort into quoting some corporate sleezeball to frame the issue in the article. Is there a quote by the original victim of UPS' corporate terrorism Jairo R?? NO!! Was there a quote by the driver who just got back from being out after getting hit by a car on the job and was in the office FOR PRODUCTION!! NO!! Of course not!! The clueless corporate media focus on the corporate mouthpiece and the politicians!!

 

[outlaw]

Its amazing how the corporate "news" media covers union events. An article on NBC news .com starts off with quotes from a UPS spokesman . Of the total of 9 paragraphs in the article, 6 paragraphs were dedicated to UPS' point of view.
Only one sided with the union and it was a quote by the NYC comptroller. They say they "Local 804 could not be reached for comment." ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? There was a picture of several union members at the press conference and rally AND THE PLACE WAS CRAWLING WITH LOCAL 804 MEMBERS AND UNION OFFICIALS BUT THEY COULDNT FIND ANY UNION OFFICIAL FROM LOCAL 804 TO COMMENT!!Are they kidding!! This is biased, lazy corporate media. But they had plenty of time and effort into quoting some corporate sleezeball to frame the issue in the article. Is there a quote by the original victim of UPS' corporate terrorism Jairo R?? NO!! Was there a quote by the driver who just got back from being out after getting hit by a car on the job and was in the office FOR PRODUCTION!! NO!! Of course not!! The clueless corporate media focus on the corporate mouthpiece and the politicians!!

What would ones WIFE do without he corporate backed media. You make me sick

 

[Brown Spider]

Brown Spider,

I would also agree on your point -That if I was there it would be the Maspeth 249--maybe !

All of us know in every building not ALL the drivers walk with the Angels.

If I was in Maspeth --I would have evaluated the facts before committing economic suicide for a pumped up BA.

If Jose was a constant problem in all areas--and was in fact found out to have committed the Cardinal Sin of Dishonesty --Why should I risk my entire family's welfare.

If Jose is innocent --the expedited Grievance Procedure would find him so ---The problem is now multiplied by 250.

1) But you weren't in Maspeth, so it's the Maspeth 250!

2) But you weren't in Maspeth, so you don't know that the drivers didn't evaluate the facts!

3) But you weren't in Maspeth, so you don't know if Jose "was a constant problem in all areas" or "committed the Cardinal sin of Dishonesty"!

4) But you weren't in Maspeth, so you just can't judge Jose's innocence or guilt!

Speaking for myself, I'm OK with the fact that you weren't in Maspeth. I'd bet the Maspeth 250 are equally OK with it. It's really OK. Some guys just aren't cut out for difficult decisions or foxholes.

 

[804brown]

Brown Spider,

I would also agree on your point -That if I was there it would be the Maspeth 249--maybe !

All of us know in every building not ALL the drivers walk with the Angels.

If I was in Maspeth --I would have evaluated the facts before committing economic suicide for a pumped up BA.

If Jose was a constant problem in all areas--and was in fact found out to have committed the Cardinal Sin of Dishonesty --Why should I risk my entire family's welfare.

If Jose is innocent --the expedited Grievance Procedure would find him so ---The problem is now multiplied by 250.

I dont know if im reading too much into this BUT the driver's name is Jairo, NOT "Jose"!!

 

[oldngray]

I dont know if im reading too much into this BUT the driver's name is Jairo, NOT "Jose"!!

His name is ... Jose Jimenez?

 

[not what i voted for]

I dont know if im reading too much into this BUT the driver's name is Jairo, NOT "Jose"!!

You are not, names mean nothing to people like him. It is the cause that matters!! Jairo, Jose and 250 they are all expendable to ensure that UPS stops violating the contract.
Tell Spider it is easy to make the hard decisions and to put people in foxholes when you have nothing to lose and you are not in the line of fire.

 

[Brown Spider]

You are not, names mean nothing to people like him. It is the cause that matters!! Jairo, Jose and 250 they are all expendable to ensure that UPS stops violating the contract.
Tell Spider it is easy to make the hard decisions and to put people in foxholes when you have nothing to lose and you are not in the line of fire.

I was responding to and quoting island1fox. Missed his error w/Jairo and my apologies to Jairo. No apology to not what I voted for! Don't know what you mean about "easy to make the hard decisions and to put people in foxholes when you have nothing to lose and you are not in the line of fire." Don't know who you think I am but I don't really have to make hard decisions, put people in foxholes or have nothing to lose. ??? As for in the line of fire, well yeah, I guess, but no more so than my co-workers.