Pullman Brown
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It’s laughable to think Hitler was going to conquer the world. Germany wasn’t even close to having the naval fleet to accomplish that.
Longshoremen’s Strike
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It's the Pacific Rim and the Japanese were taking over Southeast Asia as well as Pacific Islands. They were threatening Australia and they attacked the Philippines right after Pearl Harbor.
And the British were our ally. If you think the Germans and Japanese should've been left alone to do whatever they liked you're out of your mind.
Germany allied with Japan would most likely have conquered most of Europe and East Asia if we hadn't entered the war.
Doublestandards
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Yeah you’re probably right
Pullman Brown
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I know what the court historians narrative is on this. I don’t agree.
Doublestandards
Well-Known Member
So many people don’t realize how brutal Japan was in ww2
And yea, I just don’t think they would have stopped, especially if they kept gaining more and more power and sensed weakness from us, especially us not helping our Allies
Pullman Brown
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Consider Japan's situation in the summer of 1941. Bogged down in a four year war in China she could neither win nor end, having moved into French Indochina, Japan saw herself as near the end of her tether.
Inside the government was a powerful faction led by Prime Minister Prince Fumimaro Konoye that desperately did not want a war with the United States. The pro-Anglo-Saxon camp included the navy, whose officers had fought alongside the U.S. and Royal navies in World War I, while the war party was centered on the army, Gen. Hideki Tojo and Foreign Minister Yosuke Matsuoka, a bitter anti-American…….
In November, the U.S. intercepted two new offers from Tokyo: a Plan A for an end to the China war and occupation of Indochina and, if that were rejected, a Plan B, a modus vivendi where neither side would make any new move. When presented, these, too, were rejected out of hand.
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Inside the government was a powerful faction led by Prime Minister Prince Fumimaro Konoye that desperately did not want a war with the United States. The pro-Anglo-Saxon camp included the navy, whose officers had fought alongside the U.S. and Royal navies in World War I, while the war party was centered on the army, Gen. Hideki Tojo and Foreign Minister Yosuke Matsuoka, a bitter anti-American…….
In November, the U.S. intercepted two new offers from Tokyo: a Plan A for an end to the China war and occupation of Indochina and, if that were rejected, a Plan B, a modus vivendi where neither side would make any new move. When presented, these, too, were rejected out of hand.
Pat Buchanan - Did FDR provoke Pearl Harbor?
On Dec. 8, 1941, Franklin Roosevelt took the rostrum before a joint session of Congress to ask for a declaration of war on Japan. A day earlier, at dawn, carrier-based
Hard to feel sorry for Japan when it was they who invaded China. It was they who killed at least 20 million Chinese. What's scary is they killed.in those kind of numbers and yet we have apologists making excuse for them.Consider Japan's situation in the summer of 1941. Bogged down in a four year war in China she could neither win nor end, having moved into French Indochina, Japan saw herself as near the end of her tether.
Inside the government was a powerful faction led by Prime Minister Prince Fumimaro Konoye that desperately did not want a war with the United States. The pro-Anglo-Saxon camp included the navy, whose officers had fought alongside the U.S. and Royal navies in World War I, while the war party was centered on the army, Gen. Hideki Tojo and Foreign Minister Yosuke Matsuoka, a bitter anti-American…….
In November, the U.S. intercepted two new offers from Tokyo: a Plan A for an end to the China war and occupation of Indochina and, if that were rejected, a Plan B, a modus vivendi where neither side would make any new move. When presented, these, too, were rejected out of hand.
Pat Buchanan - Did FDR provoke Pearl Harbor?
On Dec. 8, 1941, Franklin Roosevelt took the rostrum before a joint session of Congress to ask for a declaration of war on Japan. A day earlier, at dawn, carrier-based
catstalking
ie qt
The embargo directly led to the war, none of that happened before the embargo
"Our detached and distant situation invites and enables us to pursue a different course. If we remain one people under an efficient government. the period is not far off when we may defy material injury from external annoyance; when we may take such an attitude as will cause the neutrality we may at any time resolve upon to be scrupulously respected; when belligerent nations, under the impossibility of making acquisitions upon us, will not lightly hazard the giving us provocation; when we may choose peace or war, as our interest, guided by justice, shall counsel."
-President Washington
Thanks for your opinion, I prefer American principles myself, why don't you go live in Europe if you want to meddle in everyone's affairs all the time constantly
Doublestandards
Well-Known Member
To be fair that’s kind of been Americas thing for quite a while now. Meddling in everyone’s affairs constantly
The embargo happened in August of '41. The Japanese had been slaughtering Chinese since '37. Face it, the Japanese had imperialistic designs and they hit Pearl Harbor and the Philippines in a bid to take out their chief rival in the region.
Is it American principles to support despots? You seem to be enamored with dictators.
fishtm2001
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The industry caved, offering a 62 percent wage increase for the 45,000 port workers over six years, a tiny fraction of their windfall profits btw.
Thanks, Joe
Thanks, Joe
Wally
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How did 50K dockworkers strike at US ports with only 25K jobs?
A watchdog agency has long accused the union behind the historic three-day port strikes of corruption, discrimination and mob ties.
nypost.com
That’s because half of the dockworkers at the East and Gulf coast ports are allowed to sit at home collecting “container royalties” negotiated decades ago to protect against job losses that result from innovation, according to The Wall Street Journal.
UnionStrong
Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
You gotta problem wit dat?How did 50K dockworkers strike at US ports with only 25K jobs?
A watchdog agency has long accused the union behind the historic three-day port strikes of corruption, discrimination and mob ties.
That’s because half of the dockworkers at the East and Gulf coast ports are allowed to sit at home collecting “container royalties” negotiated decades ago to protect against job losses that result from innovation, according to The Wall Street Journal.
Thebrownblob
Well-Known Member
Yeah, I’m jealous
Wally
BrownCafe Innovator & King of Puns
Moose and Rocco are looking over at me, no problem at all. Everything is great!
oldngray
nowhere special
catstalking
ie qt
So? None of our business
Of course they did, but it didn't concern us whatsoever until we forced it to
American principles are to stay out of foreign entanglements
No, that's isolationist policies. By your reckoning we should have stayed out of WWI and WWII.
catstalking
ie qt
Yes, absolutely, 1000%
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