Marking another fatality....

[UnionStrong]

I pose the same question to you, no offense intended.

You seem to be.

No. It is an unsafe work environment that the employer is responsible to correct.

No.

Yes.

IMO I am not.

I seem to remember a slogan, Safety is Everyone’s Responsibility. Ring a bell?

 

[UnionStrong]

Therefore, it’s the employers responsibility.

I don’t know why you insist on abdicating UPS management from their OSHA responsibility.

Wrong

 

[Thebrownblob]

Can we all be wrong? Lucky for you most employees take safety seriously. If we wait for OSHA or UPS to handle it, we’d be waiting a long time.

Legally OSHA and UPS may be liable, but morally as well as common sense says employees handle safety. If you think I’m gonna wait for OSHA a bureaucratic Government department to fix my problems or UPS management to actually put safety ahead of production then we would all be a lot less safe. Mr. integrity is not using common sense. OSHA is best at handing out fines, UPS corporate is best at putting out face-saving press releases. The employees that do the work are ones who are best at pushing a safe work environment. I would prefer not to be a Government statistic, or a lawsuit after I’m dead.

 

[Integrity]

You play all the word games you want, you are wrong. I won’t belabor the point with you anymore.

That’s fine. I just don’t see how a union strong person doesn’t see the overall Employer Responsibility for the corrupt safety culture that exists at UPS. (And all of corporate America, no doubt).

I believe UPS and corporate America love it when they can have employees shift their responsibilities to the employees and have it co-signed by union strong members.

It is the employers responsibility to provide a safe workplace. Simple.

 

[UnionStrong]

That’s fine. I just don’t see how a union strong person doesn’t see the overall Employer Responsibility for the corrupt safety culture that exists at UPS. (And all of corporate America, no doubt).

I believe UPS and corporate America love it when they can have employees shift their responsibilities to the employees and have it co-signed by union strong members.

It is the employers responsibility to provide a safe workplace. Simple.

Wrong…..again. Sigh…..^^

 

[Integrity]

Thanks for making my point.

I don’t even know what your point is?

 

[UnionStrong]

I don’t even know what your point is?

Because you’re obtuse? Perhaps?

 

[UnionStrong]

I don’t even know what your point is?

Safety is everyone’s responsibility.

 

[BadIdeaGuy]

Safety is everyone’s responsibility.

Literally day one of the mentoring packet.

The foundation of the process is personal responsibility, along with managerial commitment.

 

[UnionStrong]

Literally day one of the mentoring packet.

The foundation of the process is personal responsibility, along with managerial commitment.

BINGO!

 

[Thebrownblob]

That’s fine. I just don’t see how a union strong person doesn’t see the overall Employer Responsibility for the corrupt safety culture that exists at UPS. (And all of corporate America, no doubt).

I believe UPS and corporate America love it when they can have employees shift their responsibilities to the employees and have it co-signed by union strong members.

It is the employers responsibility to provide a safe workplace. Simple.

It’s the employers responsibility to provide the ability to have a safe work environment. It’s the employees responsibility to follow those safe work methods and to hold the company accountable for the safe work methods that they put in place and try to ignore most of the time when it suits them. Simple. It’s a duel responsibility. Which is why we have management and employee safety committees. Over seeing one another in a trust but verify manner.

 

[Thebrownblob]

To all:

I would like to apologize to the innocent victim and his Family. And to the driver and his Family for the loss of his career.

Yes, on behalf of the vicious hatred, racism and bigotry displayed by UPS'ers(retired also) on your horrific circumstances. It's shameful. Peace to the victim and Family and the driver and his Family.

While I expect to return to this thread with useful, pertinent info.....Im sure the hate will continue....

While talking with another B.C.'er(off thread), hope for the driver's career was given some new light and possibilities. Most surrounding the faulty equipment. It's still unclear if the driver followed a published and acknowledged inbound procedure.

In other words....maybe the guard just fell. I'm not sure how this can be proven or if it should be....stopping blame at/on the driver.

Prevention was the goal for this thread. Unfortunately, it went awry at post #3.

The actual goal of this thread for you Mr. Quad was to say see I told you so. Unfortunately for you if you have the same attitude at work as you do here you will not ever effectively Drive change because no one will listen to you or take you seriously.

 

[UnionStrong]

Employees have responsibilities as conditions of employment yes, some of the responsibilities are following safety guidelines, training, and policy. It is the employers responsibly to see that this happens.

The employer can’t be everywhere. Without the employee participation component it can’t work. Thanks for playing.

 

[UnionStrong]

The actual goal of this thread for you Mr. Quad was to say see I told you so. Unfortunately for you if you have the same attitude at work as you do here you will not ever effectively Drive change because no one will listen to you or take you seriously.

100% correct.

 

[Thebrownblob]

The employer can’t be everywhere. Without the employee participation component it can’t work. Thanks for playing.

That’s exactly right now if you excuse me mr. integrity I’m headed to work I have a safety committee meeting,

 

[Johney]

IMHO I am not.

IMO I am not.

I'm sure in your opinion you believe you're right. The reality is you're not. You have one guy in this thread who agrees with you. That should tell you something in itself.

 

[Integrity]

I seem to remember a slogan, Safety is Everyone’s Responsibility. Ring a bell?

IMO

A poster and a PCM does not make a safe workplace. Neither does a slogan, a Nutri Grain bar or ringing a bell.

The best course to a quality safety culture in UPS would be for UPS to take their legal, ethical, and moral responsibility to provide a safe workplace seriously.

 

[Integrity]

Can we all be wrong?

Yes and no.

Lucky for you most employees take safety seriously.

I have not found that to be my experience at UPS. I have found the opposite to be true actually.

If we wait for OSHA or UPS to handle it, we’d be waiting a long time.

Individuals have to involve OSHA by filing complaints, in other words employees have a right to go to them, not wait on them.

Individuals shouldn't wait for UPS to handle safety, UPS should be given the chance through internal mechanisms designed to handle safety violations, if UPS doesn't take action then, IMO a formal complaint should be filed with OSHA.

 

[Integrity]

Legally OSHA and UPS may be liable,

What does this mean?

but morally as well as common sense says employees handle safety.

How?

If you think I’m gonna wait for OSHA a bureaucratic Government department to fix my problems or UPS management to actually put safety ahead of production then we would all be a lot less safe.

What are you gonna do?

Mr. integrity is not using common sense.

I disagree.

OSHA is best at handing out fines, UPS corporate is best at putting out face-saving press releases.

Agree.

The employees that do the work are ones who are best at pushing a safe work environment.

How so?

I would prefer not to be a Government statistic, or a lawsuit after I’m dead.

Not sure what this means. Please explain.

 

[Integrity]

Wrong…..again. Sigh…..^^

IMO I am not.