Marking another fatality....

[Integrity]

Still wrong

I thought we reconciled this already why dredge it up again.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

I understand your point but this doesn’t change OSHA Law and the reality that
Employers are responsible for providing a safe workplace.

Obviously, from a legal standpoint.

But from a common sense and morally complicit view....

 

[Integrity]

He’s just obtuse on this issue. I don’t understand since it’s so obvious.

You may want to go back. I think you can get to understand OSHA law if you really try.

It is that simple.

 

[UnionStrong]

You may want to go back. I think you can get to understand OSHA law if you really try.

It is that simple.

Does OSHA follow you around? Please.
You’re wrong.

 

[UnionStrong]

I thought we reconciled this already why dredge it up again.

You admitted safety was everyone’s job. What happened?

 

[UnionStrong]

No.

Maybe.

No

No

No

I understand your point but this doesn’t change OSHA Law and the reality that
Employers are responsible for providing a safe workplace.

Wrong

 

[Integrity]

Obviously, from a legal standpoint.

But from a common sense and morally complicit view....

Employees have responsibilities as conditions of employment yes, some of the responsibilities are following safety guidelines, training, and policy. It is the employers responsibly to see that this happens.

 

[Integrity]

You admitted safety was everyone’s job. What happened?

I did not. You admitted that is was the employers responsibility to provide a safe workplace. What happened?

 

[UnionStrong]

Employees have responsibilities as conditions of employment yes, some of the responsibilities are following safety guidelines, training, and policy. It is the employers responsibly to see that this happens.

Therefore, it’s everyone’s responsibility. Period.

 

[UnionStrong]

I did not. You admitted that is was the employers responsibility to provide a safe workplace. What happened?

And the employees responsibility to report violations. It’s a team effort.

 

[Integrity]

Therefore, it’s everyone’s responsibility. Period.

Therefore, it’s the employers responsibility.

I don’t know why you insist on abdicating UPS management from their OSHA responsibility.

 

[Integrity]

Does OSHA follow you around?

No

Please.

Please what?

You’re wrong.

IMHO I am not.

 

[UnionStrong]

Therefore, it’s the employers responsibility.

I don’t know why you insist on abdicating UPS management from their OSHA responsibility.

How dense can you be? I’m not abdicating anything. If employees walk around ignoring safety hazards is that a safe work environment? Is OSHA in the bldg? Do you take any personal responsibility at all? You’re wrong.

 

[Integrity]

And the employees responsibility to report violations. It’s a team effort.

It is team effort of which the Employer is responsible for. It is that simple.

 

[UnionStrong]

No

Please what?

IMHO I am not.

You play all the word games you want, you are wrong. I won’t belabor the point with you anymore.

 

[UnionStrong]

It is team effort of which the Employer is responsible for. It is that simple.

Wrong. That’s what’s simple.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Therefore, it’s the employers responsibility.

I don’t know why you insist on abdicating UPS management from their OSHA responsibility.

I don't think he is debating that.


It would be like not reporting a safety issue and having the attitude that "it shouldn't even exist" because

all the liability falls on the employers shoulder. Then someone gets injured as a result, and you abdicate any

sort of responsibility. Morally there is culpability. Common sense would dictate that.

 

[UnionStrong]

It is team effort of which the Employer is responsible for. It is that simple.

Can we all be wrong? Lucky for you most employees take safety seriously. If we wait for OSHA or UPS to handle it, we’d be waiting a long time.

 

[Integrity]

How dense can you be?

I pose the same question to you, no offense intended.

I’m not abdicating anything.

You seem to be.

If employees walk around ignoring safety hazards is that a safe work environment?

No. It is an unsafe work environment that the employer is responsible to correct.

Is OSHA in the bldg?

No.

Do you take any personal responsibility at all?

Yes.

You’re wrong.

IMO I am not.

 

[UnionStrong]

I pose the same question to you, no offense intended.

You seem to be.

No. It is an unsafe work environment that the employer is responsible to correct.

No.

Yes.

IMO I am not.

Thanks for making my point.