Marking another fatality....

[UnionStrong]

This statement is simply not true.

Right....some do....some don't....there's the problem....the Wild West. Anything goes.

This is how we got here. 12 pages of it. Most abuse but you've actually stumbled onto the issue/problem.

"supposed to" "should" "I"

When UPS eliminated the pull-key, hand the guards the keys procedure.....fate was cast. Human nature follows the path of least resistance......most feeder drivers I know would rather stay in their cab and be on their phones, eat whatever during the inbound/outbound procedure. Especially in inclement weather. Guards are lazy +drivers too+ UPS too = fatality. It's a simple equation with predictable results.

I’m sure fat 40 year drivers are lazy too.

 

[UnionStrong]

Stop being obtuse @Integrity! You’re only validating my posts.

 

[Integrity]

Stop being obtuse @Integrity! You’re only validating my posts.

Not true.

 

[UnionStrong]

Not true.

You’re overly insensitive to my feelings and slow to learn, that’s being obtuse.

 

[Integrity]

You’re overly insensitive to my feelings and slow to learn, that’s being obtuse.

I disagree.

 

[UnionStrong]

I disagree.

That’s your prerogative.

 

[Integrity]

That’s your prerogative.

True so true.

 

[Integrity]

A few thoughts:

Rolling ladders should be thoroughly inspected before each shift.

All rolling ladders should never, ever be used if they are damaged in any way, they should be immediately taken out of service for immediate repair or disposal.

The ladders should never be used on pavement or asphalt that is uneven or in disrepair.

The UPS Maintenance Dept.(Plant Engineering) should make the repair and maintenance of rolling ladders a safety priority.

 

[quad decade guy]

To all:

I would like to apologize to the innocent victim and his Family. And to the driver and his Family for the loss of his career.

Yes, on behalf of the vicious hatred, racism and bigotry displayed by UPS'ers(retired also) on your horrific circumstances. It's shameful. Peace to the victim and Family and the driver and his Family.

While I expect to return to this thread with useful, pertinent info.....Im sure the hate will continue....

While talking with another B.C.'er(off thread), hope for the driver's career was given some new light and possibilities. Most surrounding the faulty equipment. It's still unclear if the driver followed a published and acknowledged inbound procedure.

In other words....maybe the guard just fell. I'm not sure how this can be proven or if it should be....stopping blame at/on the driver.

Prevention was the goal for this thread. Unfortunately, it went awry at post #3.

 

[Lineandinitial]

My God, you nailed it.

So is the victim and his family all on BC or is this directed into the ether?

 

[...]

No employers are.

Everyone is.

 

[UnionStrong]

To all:

I would like to apologize to the innocent victim and his Family. And to the driver and his Family for the loss of his career.

Yes, on behalf of the vicious hatred, racism and bigotry displayed by UPS'ers(retired also) on your horrific circumstances. It's shameful. Peace to the victim and Family and the driver and his Family.

While I expect to return to this thread with useful, pertinent info.....Im sure the hate will continue....

While talking with another B.C.'er(off thread), hope for the driver's career was given some new light and possibilities. Most surrounding the faulty equipment. It's still unclear if the driver followed a published and acknowledged inbound procedure.

In other words....maybe the guard just fell. I'm not sure how this can be proven or if it should be....stopping blame at/on the driver.

Prevention was the goal for this thread. Unfortunately, it went awry at post #3.

Apologize?

 

[UnionStrong]

My God, you nailed it.
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So is the victim and his family all on BC or is this directed into the ether?

He’s trying desperately to remain relevant.

 

[UnionStrong]

To all:

I would like to apologize to the innocent victim and his Family. And to the driver and his Family for the loss of his career.

Yes, on behalf of the vicious hatred, racism and bigotry displayed by UPS'ers(retired also) on your horrific circumstances. It's shameful. Peace to the victim and Family and the driver and his Family.

While I expect to return to this thread with useful, pertinent info.....Im sure the hate will continue....

While talking with another B.C.'er(off thread), hope for the driver's career was given some new light and possibilities. Most surrounding the faulty equipment. It's still unclear if the driver followed a published and acknowledged inbound procedure.

In other words....maybe the guard just fell. I'm not sure how this can be proven or if it should be....stopping blame at/on the driver.

Prevention was the goal for this thread. Unfortunately, it went awry at post #3.

Thank you

 

[Integrity]

Everyone is.

No, employers are.

Here we go again.

 

[Integrity]

To all:

I would like to apologize to the innocent victim and his Family. And to the driver and his Family for the loss of his career.

Yes, on behalf of the vicious hatred, racism and bigotry displayed by UPS'ers(retired also) on your horrific circumstances. It's shameful. Peace to the victim and Family and the driver and his Family.

While I expect to return to this thread with useful, pertinent info.....Im sure the hate will continue....

While talking with another B.C.'er(off thread), hope for the driver's career was given some new light and possibilities. Most surrounding the faulty equipment. It's still unclear if the driver followed a published and acknowledged inbound procedure.

In other words....maybe the guard just fell. I'm not sure how this can be proven or if it should be....stopping blame at/on the driver.

Prevention was the goal for this thread. Unfortunately, it went awry at post #3.

Well said.

 

[...]

No, employers are.

Here we go again.

So if I see a tripping hazard I should just walk by it and leave it until a supervisor sees and deals with it?

Or if I see a coworker drinking on the job, I should look the other way and just wait for management to notice and deal with it?

Here's a fun one. I don't work at UPS anymore, I operate haul trucks in a pit mine. Yesterday my steering components failed (the ball stud sheared off causing the steering rod and tie rod to become disconnected). Instead of stopping and downing the truck, do you think I should have continued operating until I crashed into the highwall? Or another truck? Or until management called me on the radio and said "hey, Adam, it looks like your steering has partially failed. Why don't you stop for the safety of yourself and others."

 

[UnionStrong]

No, employers are.

Here we go again.

Still wrong

 

[UnionStrong]

So if I see a tripping hazard I should just walk by it and leave it until a supervisor sees and deals with it?

Or if I see a coworker drinking on the job, I should look the other way and just wait for management to notice and deal with it?

Here's a fun one. I don't work at UPS anymore, I operate haul trucks in a pit mine. Yesterday my steering components failed (the ball stud sheared off causing the steering rod and tie rod to become disconnected). Instead of stopping and downing the truck, do you think I should have continued operating until I crashed into the highwall? Or another truck? Or until management called me on the radio and said "hey, Adam, it looks like your steering has partially failed. Why don't you stop for the safety of yourself and others."

He’s just obtuse on this issue. I don’t understand since it’s so obvious.

 

[Integrity]

So if I see a tripping hazard I should just walk by it and leave it until a supervisor sees and deals with it?

No.

Or if I see a coworker drinking on the job, I should look the other way and just wait for management to notice and deal with it?

Maybe.

Here's a fun one. I don't work at UPS anymore, I operate haul trucks in a pit mine. Yesterday my steering components failed (the ball stud sheared off causing the steering rod and tie rod to become disconnected). Instead of stopping and downing the truck, do you think I should have continued operating until I crashed into the highwall?

No

Or another truck?

No

Or until management called me on the radio and said "hey, Adam, it looks like your steering has partially failed. Why don't you stop for the safety of yourself and others."

No

I understand your point but this doesn’t change OSHA Law and the reality that
Employers are responsible for providing a safe workplace.