New Democrat Plan To Tax The Rich, Taxing Assets. Will It Work?

[Thebrownblob]

When Lloyd Bentsen was Treasury Secretary he advocated for raising the retirement age to 70. He had nothing to lose politically and was ageing and not in the best of health so he spoke freely about the matter.

Nikki Haley just the other day called for raising the retirement age. Only trouble was her spine wasn't strong enough to allow her vocal chords to say the age she wants it to be raised to.

Now try telling that to a person in a labor intensive job. Let's say to a 43 year old stone mason....'Hey pal sorry to have to tell you this but we're going to tack 3 maybe 5 more years on that you'll have to work until you can draw full benefits".

To do this enough people will have to be willing to sacrifice their political careers....and who do you think is willing to do that?

We see today what has happened in France when the plan was announced to raise the retirement age from 62 to 64.

Well, a proper company provided pension plan is definitely helpful to labor intensive industry employee who can leave in his late 50s and still draw his pension waiting for his Social Security to start.

 

[UnionStrong]

Well, a proper company provided pension plan is definitely helpful to labor intensive industry employee who can leave in his late 50s and still draw his pension waiting for his Social Security to start.

Unlike what the poor slobs at FedEx get.

 

[Thebrownblob]

And you call yourself...."Union Strong"....lmao. What an enormous contradiction.

Remind us what union you’re part of? How long have you paid dues? What office have you held in labor organization? I think he has been part of one long enough and pay dues for him to have an opinion the difference between public and private unions.

 

[bacha29]

Well, a proper company provided pension plan is definitely helpful to labor intensive industry employee who can leave in his late 50s and still draw his pension waiting for his Social Security to start.

And how many small brick and stone mason companies offer that? And what if the fictional guy I described here was a self employed stone mason?

 

[UnionStrong]

And you call yourself...."Union Strong"....lmao. What an enormous contradiction.

Apples and oranges. Nice try. I laugh every month when my pension check gets deposited. Do you? Lmao

 

[Thebrownblob]

And how many small brick and stone mason companies offer that? And what if the fictional guy I described here was a self employed stone mason?

International Pension Fund | BAC Benefits

IPF Operations The Bricklayers and Trowel Trades International Pension Plan was established in 1972 by the International Union of Bricklayers and Allied Craftworkers, and various Contractor Associations.

bacbenefits.org

 

[UnionStrong]

International Pension Fund | BAC Benefits

IPF Operations The Bricklayers and Trowel Trades International Pension Plan was established in 1972 by the International Union of Bricklayers and Allied Craftworkers, and various Contractor Associations.

bacbenefits.org

Boom

 

[Thebrownblob]

Boom

He loves to hear himself talk. As to lots of bricklayers and Masons not being in the union and being in this pension fund? Well that’s their fault just like it’s his fault. He was never in any union. Go work for union company or nut up and organize.

 

[UnionStrong]

He loves to hear himself talk. As to lots of bricklayers and Masons not being in the union and being in this pension fund? Well that’s their fault just like it’s his fault. He was never in any union. Go work for union company or nut up and organize.

I never had a problem paying dues. Well worth the return.

 

[bacha29]

Remind us what union you’re part of? How long have you paid dues? What office have you held in labor organization? I think he has been part of one long enough and pay dues for him to have an opinion the difference between public and private unions.

Now, I've heard it all. And you're trying to tell me that private sector unions always place the public interest ahead of their members interests? Hahaha!.
Do you actually believe that the Teamsters if in their upcoming contract negotiations they reach an impasse that they are going to allow what is in the best interest of the nation to get in the way of their decision to strike? You must be joking...right?

I was an IBEW member and a UFCW member in which I served as a shop steward and sat in on several contract negotiations.

 

[Thebrownblob]

I never had a problem paying dues. Well worth the return.

And as a dues paying member, you have every right to complain about things you don’t agree with or see as wrong. Like I said, the rest of them can nut up or shut up.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Now, I've heard it all. And you're trying to tell me that private sector unions always place the public interest ahead of their members interests? Hahaha!.
Do you actually believe that the Teamsters if in their upcoming contract negotiations they reach an impasse that they are going to allow what is in the best interest of the nation to get in the way of their decision to strike? You must be joking...right?

I was an IBEW member and a UFCW member in which I served as a shop steward and sat in on several contract negotiations.

Do you actually think you have any insight to what the Teamsters union is or isn’t doing? Now I’ve heard everything.

And the fact that you were in the IBEW and a shop, Steward , and no longer are, really says quite a bit about you. I trust your opinion even less now. You seem not to be able to play well with others from what I can tell. L O L.

 

[UnionStrong]

And as a dues paying member, you have every right to complain about things you don’t agree with or see as wrong. Like I said, the rest of them can nut up or shut up.

That’s why FedEx runs rough shod over its employees. Those poor bastards can’t say boo.

 

[UnionStrong]

Now, I've heard it all. And you're trying to tell me that private sector unions always place the public interest ahead of their members interests? Hahaha!.
Do you actually believe that the Teamsters if in their upcoming contract negotiations they reach an impasse that they are going to allow what is in the best interest of the nation to get in the way of their decision to strike? You must be joking...right?

I was an IBEW member and a UFCW member in which I served as a shop steward and sat in on several contract negotiations.

 

[bacha29]

He loves to hear himself talk. As to lots of bricklayers and Masons not being in the union and being in this pension fund? Well that’s their fault just like it’s his fault. He was never in any union. Go work for union company or nut up and organize.

The key word here is SELF employed. They are independent business entities. As sole proprietors they pay all operating expenses, buy their own health insurance, fund their own pension and pay both the employer and employee share of social security. All while operating in one of the most recession sensitive sectors of the economy.

The problem with you brownies is that you've been sheltered in the bosom of the Teamsters and UPS for so long that you think the entire global economy operates in the same manner as the tiny portion in which you dwell operates.

 

[Thebrownblob]

The key word here is SELF employed. They are independent business entities. As sole proprietors they pay all operating expenses, buy their own health insurance, fund their own pension and pay both the employer and employee share of social security. All while operating in one of the most recession sensitive sectors of the economy.

The problem with you brownies is that you've been sheltered in the bosom of the Teamsters and UPS for so long that you think the entire global economy operates in the same manner as the tiny portion in which you dwell operates.

Awwwe isn’t it grand? And you had the same opportunities and chose wrong. And yet you want us to listen to your opinions? Yeah no thanks.
I really can’t wait to hear all the other “problems” you think we have.

 

[bacha29]

Do you actually think you have any insight to what the Teamsters union is or isn’t doing? Now I’ve heard everything.

And the fact that you were in the IBEW and a shop, Steward , and no longer are, really says quite a bit about you. I trust your opinion even less now. You seem not to be able to play well with others from what I can tell. L O L.

We'll see how powerful your mighty union is come 12:01AM on 8-01-23. In fact FDX has already begun making plans to address shippers needs if you guys decide to hit the bricks.

And as a dues paying member, you have every right to complain about things you don’t agree with or see as wrong. Like I said, the rest of them can nut up or shut up.

Indeed, you are a dues paying member but all it gets you is the right to complain out about matters that pertain to your union. You tell me...what else does it entitle you to?

 

[Thebrownblob]

We'll see how powerful your mighty union is come 12:01AM on 8-01-23. In fact FDX has already begun making plans to address shippers needs if you guys decide to hit the bricks.

Indeed, you are a dues paying member but all it gets you is the right to complain out about matters that pertain to your union. You tell me...what else does it entitle you to?

I don’t know am I just a dues pay member? Even if I am, that’s quite a bit.

L O L FedEx going to address shippers? they can’t even manage the ones they have.
But I’m not here to go back-and-forth about two companies. I’ll just tell you I’m not worried I’ve been here over 30 years and seen it all. And I didn’t say my union was almighty, you said I’ve been sheltered L O L you just can’t seem to keep your story straight. Perhaps the reason we were “sheltered,” as you call it was because of the members and the leader ship of the union doing what it took to represent their members? I would think someone who was in the union would understand how that works but apparently you weren’t such a great union member.

 

[bacha29]

I don’t know am I just a dues pay member? Even if I am, that’s quite a bit.

L O L FedEx going to address shippers? they can’t even manage the ones they have.
But I’m not here to go back-and-forth about two companies. I’ll just tell you I’m not worried I’ve been here over 30 years and seen it all. And I didn’t say my union was almighty, you said I’ve been sheltered L O L you just can’t seem to keep your story straight. Perhaps the reason we were filtered as you call it was because of the members and the leader ship of the union doing what it took to represent their members? I would think someone who was in the union would understand how that works but apparently you weren’t such a great union member.

19 years. And let me tell one thing. This is 2023 not 1997 and the shipping business has changed a lot . More players and more technology. It would appear based on your mindset that you think your union is still able to dictate it's terms to the shipping industry of 2023. You might be in for a surprise. There are no shortage of trip lease truckers and plenty of people willing to do final mile box delivery. After all your union is the one who allowed UPS to bring in personal vehicle delivery operators. You might be able to stop a few of them here and there from doing it but not many. And the country today has zero tolerance for labor union violence.

Look, you just not a powerful as you think you think you always were.. If you were then the federal government would not have had to step in and dump cash into your pension fund in order to keep it solvent....for a little while longer.

 

[bacha29]

You keep talking to me like I don’t have a full idea of everything we are, and are not capable of as if I’m not intimately involved with all of that L O L please stop making a fool of yourself.

You simply have reaffirmed what I already said , you not as powerful as you once were. You know why? I'll tell you why.

I had a conversation with the president of my state's AFL-CIO. Public employees in my state thanks to the courts were able to form a union unopposed by local and state government. Easy money for the unions. TOO easy. In the years since I've noticed a near complete disappearance of unions in the private sector.

I pointed out to the president that the AFL-CIO and it's member unions got fat off the public sector and have become timid and gun shy when it came to efforts to organize private sector employees.

In his response he told me that private sector employers have far more effective counter measures to disrupt and putdown efforts to organize their workforces than the public sector That combined with states going "right to work" especially down south the presence of unions down there is steadily disappearing and will continue to disappear. And as a result the number of private sector union workers as a percentage of the total private sector workforce will continue to go down.

So before to go on ridiculing and looking down your noses at nonunion workers remember, the reason that many of them are nonunion is due to the timidness and complacency of today's labor unions.