New PVD - sorting tips please?

[quad decade guy]

When you exclude everything other than driving and delivering. That's just not how it works. From the time you leave 'til you get back, minus lunch. Fueling, pickups, routing, commuting, etc. all go against my SPORH. For example, during my delivery times I have to average 27/hr to hit a SPORH of 18 for the day.

You sure about that chief? You are given "allowances" for activities. Knowing how accurate or fair they might be. Travel to and from area for example has certain times allowed.....depending on the area and such.....time studies....

Now again how fair? It used to be said.....deliver when you deliver....drive when you drive. You get time for cod's etc. You don't get time for delays, standing around, not ready....can you take that to my grandma's down the street etc. How about taping up pkgs? All time killers.

It was also pointed out about backing.....you only get credit for miles(gives you more time to offset losses)(this is why folks used to "drive" their lunch)....don't back!

The same for picking up bagged small and such or dumping bins full of smalls. Pick up 500 pieces in 10 minutes.....made you look like a hero and all the rest. Most of all kept you out of the office and the list.

All of this was about running scratch. You may have been down on SPORH but make up for it on pickups or miles etc. That minus sign on the report was all you/they were looking for. Now, when you cheated(dishonesty)/manipulated the numbers....

And for those that say production doesn't matter.......I say BS. Every UPS guy I've ever encountered was hustling.....Alaska to Hawaii. Every Hub and it's operation looks and runs the same.....they have to. They smell the same.....same filthy bathrooms. LA to NY.

Feeder operations to pkg. Watch a line of pkg cars leave the building....anywhere. All the same. I will say driving on a multi level parking garage(Feeder) in Meadowlands was interesting. But getting there(from LA) was the same as getting to Dallas from NY. Or Nashville. Go to any of these places and UPS is instantly familiar.....bare bones signage, parking, space and general crappiness.

That said to say this-production is required for this company to function......and it does. Contrary to what is contrived on BC.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

You sure about that chief? You are given "allowances" for activities. Knowing how accurate or fair they might be. Travel to and from area for example has certain times allowed.....depending on the area and such.....time studies....

Now again how fair? It used to be said.....deliver when you deliver....drive when you drive. You get time for cod's etc. You don't get time for delays, standing around, not ready....can you take that to my grandma's down the street etc. How about taping up pkgs? All time killers.

It was also pointed out about backing.....you only get credit for miles(gives you more time to offset losses)(this is why folks used to "drive" their lunch)....don't back!

The same for picking up bagged small and such or dumping bins full of smalls. Pick up 500 pieces in 10 minutes.....made you look like a hero and all the rest. Most of all kept you out of the office and the list.

All of this was about running scratch. You may have been down on SPORH but make up for it on pickups or miles etc. That minus sign on the report was all you/they were looking for. Now, when you cheated(dishonesty)/manipulated the numbers....

And for those that say production doesn't matter.......I say BS. Every UPS guy I've ever encountered was hustling.....Alaska to Hawaii. Every Hub and it's operation looks and runs the same.....they have to. They smell the same.....same filthy bathrooms. LA to NY.

Feeder operations to pkg. Watch a line of pkg cars leave the building....anywhere. All the same. I will say driving on a multi level parking garage(Feeder) in Meadowlands was interesting. But getting there(from LA) was the same as getting to Dallas from NY. Or Nashville. Go to any of these places and UPS is instantly familiar.....bare bones signage, parking, space and general crappiness.

That said to say this-production is required for this company to function......and it does. Contrary to what is contrived on BC.

Yes, captain condescension, I'm sure, as the conversation is about Stops Per On Road Hour. If the conversation was overallowed, or route efficiency, or a route study, those allowances matter.

Even if there is something useful in your post, and I'd bet a paycheck there isn't, I'd never know because I can't stomach you beyond one paragraph.

SPORH. Look it up.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

There you go, @Challenger, one thing people dislike more than PVDs is @quad decade guy.

 

[reginald95]

I haven't read the whole thread but how did it go from the thread starter to ask for tips to talking about the union. Such a weird person to troll about that.

 

[UPSER1987]

I haven't read the whole thread but how did it go from the thread starter to ask for tips to talking about the union. Such a weird person to troll about that.

Because most of the posters here are sheeple. One walks off the cliff, they will follow lol.

 

[quad decade guy]

Yes, captain condescension, I'm sure, as the conversation is about Stops Per On Road Hour. If the conversation was overallowed, or route efficiency, or a route study, those allowances matter.

Even if there is something useful in your post, and I'd bet a paycheck there isn't, I'd never know because I can't stomach you beyond one paragraph.

SPORH. Look it up.

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Point is.....try to follow....SPORH doesn't really matter. Try context. Let me know where you can send that meager paycheck.....

And that stomach ailment....your fragility....toughen up.

 

[What'dyabringmetoday???]

Emotional based sarcasm.
Read what I wrote and not what you want to read. Happens all the time.

Thank you for saving us.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

Point is.....try to follow....SPORH doesn't really matter. Try context. Let me know where you can send that meager paycheck.....

And that stomach ailment....your fragility....toughen up.

Ummm, I'm gonna dumb this down, so you can keep up...

In the referenced post, I offered the existing context of the conversation you invited yourself into.

Then, I offered context in which your statements would have been relevant.

Now....I'm supposed to let you know....where I am supposed to send....my "meager" paycheck....that is the same as what you make....?? Witty.

 

[Beware of Animal]

Thanks for the kind words (cough cough). It's funny that every driver I've met is beyond happy to assist me during this short holiday season. As it is, UPS drivers here in SE NC work until 9-10:00 PM. THAT'S non holiday hours. They are happy to get the help so eat a Richard you Biden voters. Show me how many permanent drivers got furloughed due to the PVD driver. SHOW ME! Keep your emotional decision making where the sun don't shine.
I deal in facts and truth. Show me how I'm dipping into your wallet and I WILL quit.
Cry baby udder grippers.

you wouldnt last 30 days in a package car. you're nothing more than the unwanted help.

 

[BlackFriday]

When you exclude everything other than driving and delivering. That's just not how it works. From the time you leave 'til you get back, minus lunch. Fueling, pickups, routing, commuting, etc. all go against my SPORH. For example, during my delivery times I have to average 27/hr to hit a SPORH of 18 for the day.

I understand some, not all, but some of the time you spend on logistics and not delivering. In the last week I've been trying to base my average stops/hr taking these into consideration and I have been doing 20/hr and sometimes 22.
I'm NOT as fast as you regular drivers. How could I be? I'm only 2 weeks in and I've got a lot to learn. I'm not getting any objectivity here because of the PVD prejudice and that sucks. SOMEBODY here has got to be able to see things without prejudice. It's a shame people can't put their prejudice aside and speak to the facts.
Finally, if you can't be with me on my route you can't judge the job I do and you can't say I'm incapable without knowing me. Those are facts.

I haven't read the whole thread but how did it go from the thread starter to ask for tips to talking about the union. Such a weird person to troll about that.

The fact that you haven't read the whole thing means that you have based your opinion on emotion.
I can't reason with people who have formed their opinion in an unreasonable way. It just can't be done.
I'm weird? Sure thing pal, you go with that.

you wouldnt last 30 days in a package car. you're nothing more than the unwanted help.

You can say that but, unless you can prove it, it's complete BS.
I'D LOVE TO be able to put up bet , say the $ I earn this season as a PVD, to prove you wrong or right.. That would be a dream. Damn I wish this was possible. Keep in mind, I don't need the $ I'm making. I can definitely use the $ but I'm not relying on it for any reason. I took the job because the timing is right and it's good $ plus I like a challenge. So far I really love it. Sorting totally sucks but time flies while I'm doing the deliveries.
Oh, and the mileage reimbursement sucks too now that fuel is so high and half of the streets I deliver on are not paved but are either washboard or much worse.
I also wish I was getting more than the lowest national rate but I made my bed.

 

[bumped]

I don't want the PVD drivers either, but I'm also not going to be a total to them either. I won't help them do their work, but I will answer any questions they have. My dispatcher is inept, so she leaves the heavy bulk pkgs PVD drivers.

I don't understand why people want to use their own vehicles. I wouldn't want the additional wear and tear on my personal vehicle plus the cost to pay a mechanic or the time it takes me to fix the tings I can.

 

[What'dyabringmetoday???]

I understand some, not all, but some of the time you spend on logistics and not delivering. In the last week I've been trying to base my average stops/hr taking these into consideration and I have been doing 20/hr and sometimes 22.
I'm NOT as fast as you regular drivers. How could I be? I'm only 2 weeks in and I've got a lot to learn. I'm not getting any objectivity here because of the PVD prejudice and that sucks. SOMEBODY here has got to be able to see things without prejudice. It's a shame people can't put their prejudice aside and speak to the facts.
Finally, if you can't be with me on my route you can't judge the job I do and you can't say I'm incapable without knowing me. Those are facts.

The fact that you haven't read the whole thing means that you have based your opinion on emotion.
I can't reason with people who have formed their opinion in an unreasonable way. It just can't be done.
I'm weird? Sure thing pal, you go with that.

You can say that but, unless you can prove it, it's complete BS.
I'D LOVE TO be able to put up bet , say the $ I earn this season as a PVD, to prove you wrong or right.. That would be a dream. Damn I wish this was possible. Keep in mind, I don't need the $ I'm making. I can definitely use the $ but I'm not relying on it for any reason. I took the job because the timing is right and it's good $ plus I like a challenge. So far I really love it. Sorting totally sucks but time flies while I'm doing the deliveries.
Oh, and the mileage reimbursement sucks too now that fuel is so high and half of the streets I deliver on are not paved but are either washboard or much worse.
I also wish I was getting more than the lowest national rate but I made my bed.

I feel lucky that you are part of the team. My job is more secure now.

 

[Cowboy Mac]

I understand some, not all, but some of the time you spend on logistics and not delivering. In the last week I've been trying to base my average stops/hr taking these into consideration and I have been doing 20/hr and sometimes 22.
I'm NOT as fast as you regular drivers. How could I be? I'm only 2 weeks in and I've got a lot to learn. I'm not getting any objectivity here because of the PVD prejudice and that sucks. SOMEBODY here has got to be able to see things without prejudice. It's a shame people can't put their prejudice aside and speak to the facts.
Finally, if you can't be with me on my route you can't judge the job I do and you can't say I'm incapable without knowing me. Those are facts.

The fact that you haven't read the whole thing means that you have based your opinion on emotion.
I can't reason with people who have formed their opinion in an unreasonable way. It just can't be done.
I'm weird? Sure thing pal, you go with that.

You can say that but, unless you can prove it, it's complete BS.
I'D LOVE TO be able to put up bet , say the $ I earn this season as a PVD, to prove you wrong or right.. That would be a dream. Damn I wish this was possible. Keep in mind, I don't need the $ I'm making. I can definitely use the $ but I'm not relying on it for any reason. I took the job because the timing is right and it's good $ plus I like a challenge. So far I really love it. Sorting totally sucks but time flies while I'm doing the deliveries.
Oh, and the mileage reimbursement sucks too now that fuel is so high and half of the streets I deliver on are not paved but are either washboard or much worse.
I also wish I was getting more than the lowest national rate but I made my bed.

I think most drivers on BC (please correct me if I'm wrong) understand that we need seasonal help, but are against PVDs because the company abuses the agreement and works them for half the year when it should only be 1.5 - 2 months. This is a slippery slope because if we allow PVDs at all, we are inviting them to become a permanent job classification. And that's exactly what don't need-- another lower paid class of drivers to further dilute the package car drivers.

Also, you are getting the mud end of the stick because you are probably making first year driver wages with a little mileage pay to put wear on your personal vehicle and using gas that you paid for. I would rather see you making the same wages driving a Budget rental that the company pays for, with their gas in the tank.

We need less PVD's and more seasonal drivers hired from the inside.

 

[What'dyabringmetoday???]

I think most drivers on BC (please correct me if I'm wrong) understand that we need seasonal help, but are against PVDs because the company abuses the agreement and works them for half the year when it should only be 1.5 - 2 months. This is a slippery slope because if we allow PVDs at all, we are inviting them to become a permanent job classification. And that's exactly what don't need-- another lower paid class of drivers to further dilute the package car drivers.

Also, you are getting the mud end of the stick because you are probably making first year driver wages with a little mileage pay to put wear on your personal vehicle and using gas that you paid for. I would rather see you making the same wages driving a Budget rental that the company pays for, with their gas in the tank.

We need less PVD's and more seasonal drivers hired from the inside.

It's coming very soon. Union won't do a thing to stop it. Oh well.

 

[Cowboy Mac]

I understand some, not all, but some of the time you spend on logistics and not delivering. In the last week I've been trying to base my average stops/hr taking these into consideration and I have been doing 20/hr and sometimes 22.
I'm NOT as fast as you regular drivers. How could I be? I'm only 2 weeks in and I've got a lot to learn. I'm not getting any objectivity here because of the PVD prejudice and that sucks. SOMEBODY here has got to be able to see things without prejudice. It's a shame people can't put their prejudice aside and speak to the facts.
Finally, if you can't be with me on my route you can't judge the job I do and you can't say I'm incapable without knowing me. Those are facts.

As far as work ethic goes, you do you and I'll do me. I come to work every day and my number 1 goal is to not get injured or get in an accident. Drivers who are mainly focused on SPORH and making impressions leave quickly, sometimes in the back of an ambulance. This job is a 30+ year marathon, not a sprint.

So don't be surprised when you get negative results by coming on here and insulting hard working Teamsters and arrogantly say that you can outwork us all, and that anyone who is pro-union is a lazy socialist democrat who voted for Joe Biden. You couldn't be further from the truth.

We are a diverse group of people from all kinds of backgrounds and all over the political spectrum. And we disagree about a lot of things, heatedly. But we won't be disrespected by someone who has only done half the job in fair weather for two weeks. Come back after your first time working in ice and snow; Your first peak season; After January and February's harassment and "Flavor of the Month"; Come back after your first rain storm; Your first summer in 100 plus degree temps.

Walk a mile or 100 in our shoes and then we'll have something to talk about.

 

[BlackFriday]

Cowboy

"So don't be surprised when you get negative results by coming on here and insulting hard working Teamsters and arrogantly say that you can outwork us all, and that anyone who is pro-union is a lazy socialist democrat who voted for Joe Biden. You couldn't be further from the truth."

I have stated, OVER AND OVER AGAIN, just the opposite.
Yours is yet another case of someone reading what they want to read and not what I wrote.

 

[What'dyabringmetoday???]

Cowboy

"So don't be surprised when you get negative results by coming on here and insulting hard working Teamsters and arrogantly say that you can outwork us all, and that anyone who is pro-union is a lazy socialist democrat who voted for Joe Biden. You couldn't be further from the truth."

I have stated, OVER AND OVER AGAIN, just the opposite.
Yours is yet another case of someone reading what they want to read and not what I wrote.

Thank you for everything you're doing. I certainly appreciate it.

 

[Cowboy Mac]

What you state is a socialist sentiment and, being that you feel you somehow deserve to have your wages based on the profit of UPS screams liberal. I'll say, under no uncertain terms, liberalism is a mental illness.

People in hell want ice water.
No way you should think your wages should be based on the company profit. That's called wealth sharing. You must be a Bernie voter.

Never said I know it all.
I guaranty I could easily do your job. You don't have any idea about me bro.

Tell me what jobs are easier and less stressful that pay more. Please be specific.

What motivates a retired member to hang here and spew hate anyway? Has your guilt for being over compensated brought so much anger into your lide? I can see how that can happen.

Yes, unions served a very valuable service at their inception. Today, IMO, they make people lazy as hell and I can easily supply examples. The UPS drivers happen to be an exception because you are all forced to break your asses every day. Maybe the union should tell UPS that they shouldn't demand that their driver HAVE TO complete 200+ stops?
We can debate unions but it would be fruitless. One item I can easily arm myself with is that unions are pro Democrat and the democrat party absolutely sucks. Every year it becomes blatantly more socialist. Just look at that sorry POS potus we have now. Are you going to tell me he's not THE WORST EVER?

You keep saying that you respect our hard work, and then in the next sentence or next post, say the exact opposite, like the above quotes. Tell us what you really think...we are over paid, right? We have the easiest, best paying job on the market, and all it takes is to be able to fog a window. According to you...

Most of us had to work several part time jobs for years before we even got the CHANCE to go driving. But we chose to make that sacrifice because we knew UPS pays the best in the industry. I'm on a first name basis with most of the FedEx drivers and postal carriers on my route. They know how much we make. They know how much we work. Some of them tried to make the leap but didn't have the patience to wait years. Some would rather get paid less for an easier day.

You have no respect for retired members. Someone who had to work multiple decades at this job to be able to retire. Started in a time when the creature comforts of our job today didn't exist, like low step automatic transmission package cars, GPS, etc. They have earned the right to post here.

 

[BlackFriday]

The negative comments you cherry pick were my reaction to a post from a specific member here.
How about posting the many posts from me that talk about how I feel you drivers are motivated, hard working, people? Or the many where I state the respect I have for you drivers?
Again, the hate towards me is due to the fact that I am a PVD plain and simple. The vast majority of the posts I receive are highly negative BECAUSE of this. Ya'll are very defensive.
As for me saying I could easily do your job I stand corrected. It's a bit more difficult than my first week led me to believe BUT I feel like I can definitely do your job. Anyone that takes on ANY challenge better damn well believe "can do" and believe it deeply. I was brought up to think "can't" is not a word. I've learned that it is sometimes a word that fits. Examples: I can't skydive, I can't do giant roller coasters, I can't deal with our government that believes there are 35 genders and a thousand other screwed up liberal notions like "roads are racist. I can't support racists. I can't support open borders and perhaps my all time can't is I can't support abortion.
There are a lot of things I can't do.
Oh, and I'm supposed to kiss the feet of a person that just joined in August after a 30+ year UPS career? Where has he been to support the members here? His avatar is "join or die"? He gets no static. He's all good so long as he is spewing hate toward any PVD.
The dude doesn't have a dog in the fight yet I'm the one people call weird?
When you retire are you going to spend your precious newly found time posting on the forum of UPS members? That's whacked out IMO. THAT'S weird AF but go ahead and defend him. After all he's a UPS driver.
Oh, wait.... No he ain't.?.

 

[Poop Head]

Every UPS driver that's delivered to my house have been impressive to me.

This says it all right here.