Obama: ‘It’s the Post Office That’s Always Having Problems’
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island1fox
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Hey DIESEL 96,
Try again. I did not compare Healthcare to Parcels. I believe that was Obama.
The MAN who during the election :
1. Economy was a complete disaster --Now depending on the day "We did not realize the economy was so bad" or " the economy has improved"
2. During the election:"When I AM PRESIDENT no bill will be signed by me until it is posted and the American people will be able to read whats in it"
Real Obama ----Passed the largest spending bill in history of the world ---not only did NO AMERICAN have a chance to read the bill -----none of our great politicians who voted for it read the bill
3. Obama "we had to rush this bill to keep unenployment under 8% " Can anyone say 10% --
4. Obama "no lobbys or special interests groups" Can anyone say SEIU OR ACORN ??
5. IRAQ ??????
6. GUANTANAMO ????
7. Tax cheats in cabinet -----I have lost count.
8. American's must sacrafice ----keep thermostats down ---- Oval office 80 Degrees -maybe we should see that birth certificate!!!
9. While Americans lose jobs and suffer -----Obamas are living the VIVA LOCA !!
Travel around the world
twice --apologizing for America ---600$ sneakers --thousand dollar handbags --parties every wed at White house for special interests groups and doners -----HE IS REALLY FEELING OUR PAIN!!!
10. Joe Biden "I am not an economist" Obama --Joe is in charge of the STIMULOUS !!
11.Joe Biden "of course some of this stimulous will be wasted and lost"
12. I have to stop ----this can and will go on forever.
P.S. WHILE POST OFFICE UNFAIRLY COMPETES WITH PRIVATE SECTOR ---WHILE UPS SURVIVES --HOW MANY DRIVERS AND TEAMSTERS HAVE BEEN LAID OFF ?????
Try again. I did not compare Healthcare to Parcels. I believe that was Obama.
The MAN who during the election :
1. Economy was a complete disaster --Now depending on the day "We did not realize the economy was so bad" or " the economy has improved"
2. During the election:"When I AM PRESIDENT no bill will be signed by me until it is posted and the American people will be able to read whats in it"
Real Obama ----Passed the largest spending bill in history of the world ---not only did NO AMERICAN have a chance to read the bill -----none of our great politicians who voted for it read the bill
3. Obama "we had to rush this bill to keep unenployment under 8% " Can anyone say 10% --
4. Obama "no lobbys or special interests groups" Can anyone say SEIU OR ACORN ??
5. IRAQ ??????
6. GUANTANAMO ????
7. Tax cheats in cabinet -----I have lost count.
8. American's must sacrafice ----keep thermostats down ---- Oval office 80 Degrees -maybe we should see that birth certificate!!!
9. While Americans lose jobs and suffer -----Obamas are living the VIVA LOCA !!
Travel around the world
twice --apologizing for America ---600$ sneakers --thousand dollar handbags --parties every wed at White house for special interests groups and doners -----HE IS REALLY FEELING OUR PAIN!!!10. Joe Biden "I am not an economist" Obama --Joe is in charge of the STIMULOUS !!
11.Joe Biden "of course some of this stimulous will be wasted and lost"
12. I have to stop ----this can and will go on forever.
P.S. WHILE POST OFFICE UNFAIRLY COMPETES WITH PRIVATE SECTOR ---WHILE UPS SURVIVES --HOW MANY DRIVERS AND TEAMSTERS HAVE BEEN LAID OFF ?????
tieguy
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A bridge to nowhere...<----That's Sarah winking at ya....lol
Dude that is one hot wink.
ups1990
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MC4YOU2
Wherever I see Trump, it smells like he's Putin.
Well....then otherwise you"d sound as if all gov progs are either all good or all bad? They obviously are each different in that respect. The similarity here is a gov prog is not likely to put anyone out of business.
Gee, I dont remember hearing all this when Bush had his rare (THANKFULLY) public rallies when people were screened to be sure they would be "good go alongs." It's just so refreshing to have a pres that speaks English.
Government involvement in USPS is not the only reason for it's woes. 8 track tapes, vinyl records, carburetors, asteroids arcade games were all great innovations that have simply been replaced by better ideas. USPS is still operating like it's in the 1950's and everyone still needs to send mail to live their life and it's not ever going to change back. Was a great service at one time, but times have moved on and left them in a time warp. That's not anyone's fault per se, they just have to retool.
diesel96
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Hey DIESEL 96,
Try again. I did not compare Healthcare to Parcels. I believe that was Obama.
Nbama was comparing private business vs gov't business
The MAN who during the election :
1. Economy was a complete disaster --Now depending on the day "We did not realize the economy was so bad" or " the economy has improved"
That's inherited a complete diseaster, and yes even the best economist are perplexed as they read the tea leaves on the road to recovery.
2. During the election:"When I AM PRESIDENT no bill will be signed by me until it is posted and the American people will be able to read whats in it"
Real Obama ----Passed the largest spending bill in history of the world ---not only did NO AMERICAN have a chance to read the bill -----none of our great politicians who voted for it read the bill
It's called a recovery bill, better known as a stimulus package to jump start the recovery. FYI...Spending is a key ingredient in stimulating, but some circles ignore this philosphy and dub thee a spending bill....They think tax breaks for the wealthy and trickle down is a cure all...NOT
I'm sorry to say, Americans don't read anymore, were a country of 30 second sound biters and you tube fanatics that believe any little blip drilled and programmed in their head. Just listen to what these mis-informed lunatics are kicking and screaming at townhall meetings....Socialist, marxist, and Nazi's are pulling the plug on Grandma. Where do you stand on killing GrandMa!
3. Obama "we had to rush this bill to keep unenployment under 8% " Can anyone say 10% --
Any bill that gets fillerbustered and plunges into limbo, is tougher to pass. That's nothing new, typical poilitics.
But it's easy to assess, how much worse off we'd be if Rep's were still in charge.
4. Obama "no lobbys or special interests groups" Can anyone say SEIU OR ACORN ??
Yet, all those on the right support the hugh Corperations, Insurance and Rx lobbiest working against their own interest....
5. IRAQ ??????
Inherited, but withdrawing our combats troops as we speak
6. GUANTANAMO ????
Inherited.....I agree, put on the back burner due to beaucracy and stalling tactics
7. Tax cheats in cabinet -----I have lost count.
Can't deny this, but we are a country who gives people a 2nd chance.
Besides, look at all the tax cheats and lost revenues by republican backed tax loopholes, overseas accounts for the rich and wealthy...
8. American's must sacrafice ----keep thermostats down ---- Oval office 80 Degrees -maybe we should see that birth certificate!!!
Oh god...your a "birther".....you just dropped a few notches on the creditbility scale.
9. While Americans lose jobs and suffer -----Obamas are living the VIVA LOCA !!
Travel around the world
Some of the residue sludge left behind from the Bush/Cheney debacle, was the decline of respect from American arrogance. But just being elected, Obama has raised that level without batting an eye. First the Bama bashers criticize him for caving in so easily and apologizing to the world. Then, they demand he apologize to a Mass cop and a postman....Make up your minds...
10. Joe Biden "I am not an economist" Obama --Joe is in charge of the STIMULOUS !!
11.Joe Biden "of course some of this stimulous will be wasted and lost"
Not familiar with those claims....Unless your heard it from a Fox news sound-bite.
12. I have to stop ----this can and will go on forever.
do stop
P.S. WHILE POST OFFICE UNFAIRLY COMPETES WITH PRIVATE SECTOR ---WHILE UPS SURVIVES --HOW MANY DRIVERS AND TEAMSTERS HAVE BEEN LAID OFF ?????
No different from any other company in this reccession....in fact our company has weathered this storm better than most companies. Even with the evil USPS empire competing against us....
tieguy
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It's called a recovery bill, better known as a stimulus package to jump start the recovery. FYI...Spending is a key ingredient in stimulating, but some circles ignore this philosphy and dub thee a spending bill....They think tax breaks for the wealthy and trickle down is a cure all...NOT
the point you were responding to was one that points out that Obama slammed this through without public scrutiny or review.
How did they determine that 3.2 trillon was the magic number?
why not take your time with the allocation of these funds? If its true that they still have not spent most of this money then it appears the time was there to do a more careful review before committing the funds.
the point you were responding to was one that points out that Obama slammed this through without public scrutiny or review.
How did they determine that 3.2 trillon was the magic number?
why not take your time with the allocation of these funds? If its true that they still have not spent most of this money then it appears the time was there to do a more careful review before committing the funds.
island1fox
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Tieguy,Sorry to be a little more direct --but I learned well from the left---OBAMA LIED --ABOUT CHANGE --ABOUT EVERYTHING --unlike the left --I do like to call the President a liar ----but facts are facts !!!!
One of the latest --Obama " The AARP has endorsed my Heath plan " ----
Hello ----the head of the AARP immediately put out a statement that this is inaccurate ------since they lean left --it was a polite way to say LIED !!!
tieguy
Banned
Sorry to be a little more direct --but I learned well from the left---OBAMA LIED --ABOUT CHANGE --ABOUT EVERYTHING --unlike the left --I do like to call the President a liar ----but facts are facts !!!!
One of the latest --Obama " The AARP has endorsed my Heath plan " ----
Hello ----the head of the AARP immediately put out a statement that this is inaccurate ------since they lean left --it was a polite way to say LIED !!!
Oh that was a big one. The president should know whether he has the AARP's support before he opens his mouth. The white house will come out with some correction saying the AARP supported the concept of lowering health costs or such to smooth over his lie.
Now aren't you the clever one?
wkmac
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Well if anything else, President Obama got lots of free PR for both FedEx and UPS and if any should be pissed at the President, it should by the USPS.
Speaking of Bloomberg and UPS, keep your eyes open in the future for something that might be of interest.
Uh yeah, I do know something you don't!
Speaking of Bloomberg and UPS, keep your eyes open in the future for something that might be of interest.
Uh yeah, I do know something you don't!
tieguy
Banned
real businesses cut cost and expenses when they see the trends you describe. Government run businesses say oh well mr. taxpayer you lost two billion this quarter.
This tremendous loss despite the fact the post office has a monopoly on first class mail that they already use to subsidize other parts of their business.
Have you seen the new one size box one charge campaign the post office is running? Competes with UPS ground volume. Why would the post office be discounting its ground service when its losing money?
thats what your government would be doing to your health care.
This issue is one that UPSers should actually understand and appreciate better then the average citizen since we have been victims of a public option delivery service that competes with and steals business from us using their monopoly.
klein
Für Meno :)
We get a special discount like you to oversea military operations :
From USPS website:
Mail sent to overseas military addresses is charged only domestic mail prices. The domestic mail price for the largest Flat-Rate Priority Mail box is $12.95, but for packages to APO/FPO addresses overseas the price is reduced to only $10.95. Flat-Rate boxes are free at any Post Office, or can be ordered online at usps.com.
MC4YOU2
Wherever I see Trump, it smells like he's Putin.
Maybe we gave them the idea with "Basic".
That is our version of the cheapest offer we have and it also steals "standard ground" volume from ups. I am sure it's a profitable deal for ups as mail delivery personnel make less per hour than we do, but is it better in the long run if I am asked to go get sales leads and wonder how long it will be until they "convert to Basic".
How much incentive do I have now if I am just trying to make more success for postal carriers?
They have to retool. Just offering a cheaper parcel rate did not make them profitable before, and even with additional tax help, it will not be the solution now either.
I am pumping triple package volume to my PO from this time last year due solely to more shippers going Basic. Even with that advantage my PO is rumored to be on a list of possible consolidation candidates.
They have to retool. There will never be more paper mail to replace the lost volume. They have to retool, they cannot seriously compete with the private sector in a threatening way without our handing them the combination to the safe.
Its amazing how many of you dont understand how the post office works in the first place. I laugh at those who claim this is a "goverment" run business.
You have NO CLUE what youre talking about.
The post office is NOT run by the goverment. Its a corporation "overseen" by congress.
Its run like a regular private business with a board of directors. Any business decision is made by the board and sent to congress for approval.
FACT:
The Board of Governors of the United States Postal Service sets policy, procedure, and postal rates for services rendered, and has a similar role to a corporate board of directors. Of the eleven members of the Board, nine are appointed by the President and confirmed by the United States Senate (see 39 U.S.C. § 202). The nine appointed members then select the United States Postmaster General, who serves as the board's tenth member, and who oversees the day to day activities of the service as Chief Executive Officer (see 39 U.S.C. § 202–203). The ten-member board then nominates a Deputy Postmaster General, who acts as Chief Operating Officer, to the eleventh and last remaining open seat.
The USPS is often mistaken for a government-owned corporation (e.g., Amtrak), but as noted above is legally defined as an "independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States," (39 U.S.C. § 201) as it is wholly owned by the government and controlled by the Presidential appointees and the Postmaster General. As a quasi-governmental agency, it has many special privileges, including sovereign immunity, eminent domain powers, powers to negotiate postal treaties with foreign nations, and an exclusive legal right to deliver first-class and third-class mail. Indeed, in 2004, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in a unanimous decision that the USPS was not a government-owned corporation, and therefore could not be sued under the Sherman Antitrust Act. The U.S. Supreme Court has also upheld the USPS's statutory monopoly on access to letterboxes against a First Amendment freedom of speech challenge; it thus remains illegal in the U.S. for anyone other than the employees and agents of the USPS to deliver mailpieces to letterboxes marked "U.S. Mail."
The president is CORRECT to compare the post office to UPS and FEDEX.
The fact remains that "technology" is killing the post office and not goverment oversight. Online billing and online paying is growing at a rate faster than the post office can compensate for.
The loss of first class revenue each year grows larger and larger as online information gathers steam and households make the switch every month.
This year alone, the post office is expected to lose approx. 9 billion dollars, and thats down from the original estimate of 16 billion in January. Because of cost cutting and debt elimination, that estimate has been lowered to 9 billion.
The problem cant be solved. The US mail is becoming an obsolete dinosaur in todays business world. There is a magic number the post office has to look out for.
The .60 cent stamp. Congress believes that if the cost of a US stamp reaches the .60 cent mark, then that would be the end of the post office as we know it.
Volume, is the key for the post office to survive. Cheap prices for parcels is what the "board of directors" of the post office are trying to do to fix the revenue problem If they can steal enough parcel volume, then they can make up some lost revenue. If they try to compete with the same pricing as UPS and FEDEX then they will be out of business in a matter of 2 years.
Anyone who makes a claim that the post office is run by the goverment is Un-informed. It is a private business entity of the united states.
The comparision by the president was simply to demonstrate that private companies can compete with a quazi goverment operated business.
Both UPS and FEDEX charge rates way higher than the post office, and customers make the decision to pay those charges for SERVICE, despite maybe saving some money with the postal service.
It doesnt hurt UPS or FEDEX and they both continue to be viable businesses.
So the president is right on the mark.
Those on the right, are just marked for ignorance.
You have NO CLUE what youre talking about.
The post office is NOT run by the goverment. Its a corporation "overseen" by congress.
Its run like a regular private business with a board of directors. Any business decision is made by the board and sent to congress for approval.
FACT:
The Board of Governors of the United States Postal Service sets policy, procedure, and postal rates for services rendered, and has a similar role to a corporate board of directors. Of the eleven members of the Board, nine are appointed by the President and confirmed by the United States Senate (see 39 U.S.C. § 202). The nine appointed members then select the United States Postmaster General, who serves as the board's tenth member, and who oversees the day to day activities of the service as Chief Executive Officer (see 39 U.S.C. § 202–203). The ten-member board then nominates a Deputy Postmaster General, who acts as Chief Operating Officer, to the eleventh and last remaining open seat.
The USPS is often mistaken for a government-owned corporation (e.g., Amtrak), but as noted above is legally defined as an "independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States," (39 U.S.C. § 201) as it is wholly owned by the government and controlled by the Presidential appointees and the Postmaster General. As a quasi-governmental agency, it has many special privileges, including sovereign immunity, eminent domain powers, powers to negotiate postal treaties with foreign nations, and an exclusive legal right to deliver first-class and third-class mail. Indeed, in 2004, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in a unanimous decision that the USPS was not a government-owned corporation, and therefore could not be sued under the Sherman Antitrust Act. The U.S. Supreme Court has also upheld the USPS's statutory monopoly on access to letterboxes against a First Amendment freedom of speech challenge; it thus remains illegal in the U.S. for anyone other than the employees and agents of the USPS to deliver mailpieces to letterboxes marked "U.S. Mail."
The president is CORRECT to compare the post office to UPS and FEDEX.
The fact remains that "technology" is killing the post office and not goverment oversight. Online billing and online paying is growing at a rate faster than the post office can compensate for.
The loss of first class revenue each year grows larger and larger as online information gathers steam and households make the switch every month.
This year alone, the post office is expected to lose approx. 9 billion dollars, and thats down from the original estimate of 16 billion in January. Because of cost cutting and debt elimination, that estimate has been lowered to 9 billion.
The problem cant be solved. The US mail is becoming an obsolete dinosaur in todays business world. There is a magic number the post office has to look out for.
The .60 cent stamp. Congress believes that if the cost of a US stamp reaches the .60 cent mark, then that would be the end of the post office as we know it.
Volume, is the key for the post office to survive. Cheap prices for parcels is what the "board of directors" of the post office are trying to do to fix the revenue problem If they can steal enough parcel volume, then they can make up some lost revenue. If they try to compete with the same pricing as UPS and FEDEX then they will be out of business in a matter of 2 years.
Anyone who makes a claim that the post office is run by the goverment is Un-informed. It is a private business entity of the united states.
The comparision by the president was simply to demonstrate that private companies can compete with a quazi goverment operated business.
Both UPS and FEDEX charge rates way higher than the post office, and customers make the decision to pay those charges for SERVICE, despite maybe saving some money with the postal service.
It doesnt hurt UPS or FEDEX and they both continue to be viable businesses.
So the president is right on the mark.
Those on the right, are just marked for ignorance.
wkmac
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Lysander Spooner, father of the 3 cent stamp, American Anarchist, a free marketeer and defender of successionists and opposition to monopoly banking and money creation.
