Obamacare's effect on Teamsters 2013 contract

[Bagels]

Thats what I mean when I say there are now more people riding in the wagon than there are pulling the wagon. People want free stuff. They want Santa Clause & those of us that work & pay taxes are paying for it. It's nothing to be celebrated unless your simplistic view of politics is, my team vs. your team. True...I'm not over it. Our kids are paying for this. Any idea how much Obama has added to our nations debt since becoming president?

Please tell us what Obama words meant in this video. I've seen it in full context before & it is exactly as it appears. But if you disagree, then please put his words in context so that we can have our employer insurance plans back. Maybe Obamacare is just one big misunderstanding.

Regarding the video... seriously? No video montage -- on any topic -- consisting of clips sewn together should ever be taken seriously since it's easy to take comments out of context.

Secondly... insurance in general is a socialist idea. Placing the burden of the quality & cost of health care on our "job creators" is both unfair to the job creators -- demographics will dictate different rates among employers -- and employee -- since the employee's heath will effect his/her job choice + the pursuit of profits will always encourage employers to drop coverage.

Thirdly... it's amazing that wages in this country have soared over the past 10-12 years, yet most working persons are earning compensation -- virtually all the wage expansion has gone to the top. It isn't an issue of "riding in the wagon" as much as it is people performing a fair day's work but not receiving a fair day's pay. Corporate America has convinced people that $7.25/hour + no-benefits is fair compensation for them and eight-figure paydays OK for themselves.

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

Regarding the video... seriously? No video montage -- on any topic -- consisting of clips sewn together should ever be taken seriously since it's easy to take comments out of context.

Secondly... insurance in general is a socialist idea. Placing the burden of the quality & cost of health care on our "job creators" is both unfair to the job creators -- demographics will dictate different rates among employers -- and employee -- since the employee's heath will effect his/her job choice + the pursuit of profits will always encourage employers to drop coverage.

Thirdly... it's amazing that wages in this country have soared over the past 10-12 years, yet most working persons are earning compensation -- virtually all the wage expansion has gone to the top. It isn't an issue of "riding in the wagon" as much as it is people performing a fair day's work but not receiving a fair day's pay. Corporate America has convinced people that $7.25/hour + no-benefits is fair compensation for them and eight-figure paydays OK for themselves.

Maybe he was talking about ending employer insurance on some other planet. If you can find this video outside of a montage or part of another video I'll give you major props. Plus you could show me how wrong I was. Unfortunately the video in it's entirety has been erased from YouTube, or anywhere, claiming copyright infringement etc. for quite some time.

I'm making alot more than I was 10-12 years ago. Drivers have gone from $22 TO $32HR during that time. I for one am grateful to both the company & the union for that. Unfortunately our union has lost it's way, choosing politics over the people it'd supposed to represent. Kind of like old Yeller. He was loyal & the best friend a guy could have, but then started pi**ing on the carpet & biting the hand that fed him. Now Hoffa is pi**ing on our boots & telling us it's raining. Believe me I don't like the weakened position this gives us when standing up for our wages & benefits but its what we asked for, consciously or not. It's the sad reality.

 

[over10.5]

Amen!

 

[MenInBrown]

LOL, as opposed to those who voted in 2000 for Republicans that took a budget surplus aimed at paying down the debt and immediately turned it into a deficit by cutting taxes, spent trillions on wars (why were we in Iraq again???), elected a president who spent 1,020 days on vacation in 8 years (WAY more than any other president ... Obama's on pace for 262) and deregulated the banking industry resulting in the artificial housing boom, then bust, then recession (now that Bank of America and WaMu were no longer responsible for the loans--could sell them to investors,etc--they began giving anybody credit...hmmm...who could've predicted that?)

We still spend more on defense than the next largest 13 economies combined -- including China -- and it isn't enough???? Really?

Like I said, educate yourself. (Hmm... interesting how the worst schools in the country all belong in bright red states. Coincidence?)

you should try going back a little further...

Bill Clinton's drive to increase homeownership went way too far
Posted by: Peter Coy on February 27, 2008
Add President Clinton to the long list of people who deserve a share of the blame for the housing bubble and bust. A recently re-exposed document shows that his administration went to ridiculous lengths to increase the national homeownership rate. It promoted paper-thin downpayments and pushed for ways to get lenders to give mortgage loans to first-time buyers with shaky financing and incomes. It’s clear now that the erosion of lending standards pushed prices up by increasing demand, and later led to waves of defaults by people who never should have bought a home in the first place.
President Bush continued the practices because they dovetailed with his Ownership Society goals, and of course Congress was strongly behind the push. But Clinton and his administration must shoulder some of the blame.

 

[MenInBrown]

this is the effect on us in his own words...he clearly states we are screwed bc he will eliminate employer insurance...Thanks

SHOCK UNCOVERED: Obama IN HIS OWN WORDS saying His Health Care Plan will ELIMINATE private insurance - YouTube

 

[Bagels]

you should try going back a little further...

Bill Clinton's drive to increase homeownership went way too far

Posted by: Peter Coy on February 27, 2008
Add President Clinton to the long list of people who deserve a share of the blame for the housing bubble and bust. A recently re-exposed document shows that his administration went to ridiculous lengths to increase the national homeownership rate. It promoted paper-thin downpayments and pushed for ways to get lenders to give mortgage loans to first-time buyers with shaky financing and incomes. It’s clear now that the erosion of lending standards pushed prices up by increasing demand, and later led to waves of defaults by people who never should have bought a home in the first place.
President Bush continued the practices because they dovetailed with his Ownership Society goals, and of course Congress was strongly behind the push. But Clinton and his administration must shoulder some of the blame.

Clinton's plan was to increase minority ownership. Cheap, free flowing credit that inflated the housing market & ultimately lead to the bust didn't occur until a couple years after Bush assumed office (homes built for under $100,000 in Tampa in 2000-2001 were selling for $300,000 by 2005). The Bush Administration, and then-Congressional leadership (also Republicans) clearly ignored the warning signs & pleas from economists that banks may be abusing Gramm-Leach-Biley.

 

[Bagels]

this is the effect on us in his own words...he clearly states we are screwed bc he will eliminate employer insurance...Thanks (see posting for video link)

No, it's a video montage (the same one posted earlier) of clips taken from many years sewn together for propaganda purposes. Interesting that nobody can - or will - provide a link to his straight comments... probably because video montages are a great way to take things out of context .

 

[MenInBrown]

No, it's a video montage (the same one posted earlier) of clips taken from many years sewn together for propaganda purposes. Interesting that nobody can - or will - provide a link to his straight comments... probably because video montages are a great way to take things out of context .

u cant understand the words coming out of his mouth?

 

[MenInBrown]

Clinton's plan was to increase minority ownership. Cheap, free flowing credit that inflated the housing market & ultimately lead to the bust didn't occur until a couple years after Bush assumed office. The Bush Administration, and then-Congressional leadership (also Republicans) clearly ignored the warning signs & pleas from economics that banks may be abusing Gramm-Leach-Biley.

So you agree where it started...no one is saying bush was great, but lets lay blame across the board shall we?

 

[Bagels]

So you agree where it started...no one is saying bush was great, but lets lay blame across the board shall we?

There was funding set aside to increase minority home ownership; the funding was a derivative of settlements with various banks, who had been sued for discrimination. Big difference between that calculated move & offering credit to anybody with a pulse, because you wouldn't be on the hook for responsibility....

 

[Bagels]

u cant understand the words coming out of his mouth?

LOL. Really? It's a highly edited video montage. You do know how easy it is manipulate the context of words through editing? You could give a presentation, proclaiming that we're rightly tough on persons who view child porn but light on those who actually kill somebody after drinking & driving ... and I could edit it to make you look like a whacko pedophile who thinks laws on child porn are too tough.

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

LOL. Really? It's a highly edited video montage. You do know how easy it is manipulate the context of words through editing? You could give a presentation, proclaiming that we're rightly tough on persons who view child porn but light on those who actually kill somebody after drinking & driving ... and I could edit it to make you look like a whacko pedophile who thinks laws on child porn are too tough.

This video isn't edited in that way. Obama is clearly talking about ending employer based coverage. No two ways about it.

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

Ok so you don't believe me. Maybe you will trust what the SEIU has to say about the "Cadillac" tax on employer plans. They aren't exactly what I would call right winger. Enjoy

The Impact of the Excise Tax on High-Cost Health Plans

 

[bbsam]

u cant understand the words coming out of his mouth?

caharrell!!! Welcome back! Haven't heard from you since...since...oh yes, since you were blabbing on and on about the impending Romney landslide!! Finally heal the ego? Anyway, welcome back to BC.

 

[Mike57]

Here are a few.

Increase Medicare tax rate by .9% and impose added tax of 3.8% on unearned income for high-income taxpayers. (Scott Davis)

Before the health care law, insurance companies could remove enrolled children usually at age 19, sometimes older for full-time students. Now, most health plans that cover children must make coverage available to children up to age 26. By allowing children to stay on a parent's plan, the law makes it easier and more affordable for young adults to get health insurance coverage
Your children can join or remain on your plan even if they are:

married
not living with you
attending school
not financially dependent on you
eligible to enroll in their employer’s plan


Insurers are prohibited from imposing lifetime dollar limits on essential benefits.

Insurers must spend 80% (for individual or small group insurers) or 85% (for large group insurers) of premium dollars on health costs and claims, leaving only 20% or 15% respectively for administrative costs and profits.

 

[Mike57]

I deleted my post..

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

As I said....lots of ignorant and misinformed voters out there. I should have added gullible though. The left will believe anything. The fact is ObamaCare has slowly started creeping its slimy claws into the workforce. Some companies have raised their insurance premiums as a result of its crippling effect. My best friend's company raised their monthly payments and HR held a meeting to discuss it. They flat out told them it was ObamaCare causing the increase. We will start hearing similar stories as ObamaCare is fully implemented across the country. My friend said the look on all of the poor bastards faces that were all goo goo gaa gaa over Obama was priceless as HR gave them the information. And now those same people are now bitching and whining about higher taxes everyday. I'll I can say to that is that you reap what you sow.

 

[thedownhillEXPRESS]

As I said....lots of ignorant and misinformed voters out there. I should have added gullible though. The left will believe anything. The fact is ObamaCare has slowly started creeping its slimy claws into the workforce. Some companies have raised their insurance premiums as a result of its crippling effect. My best friend's company raised their monthly payments and HR held a meeting to discuss it. They flat out told them it was ObamaCare causing the increase. We will start hearing similar stories as ObamaCare is fully implemented across the country. My friend said the look on all of the poor bastards faces that were all goo goo gaa gaa over Obama was priceless as HR gave them the information. And now those same people are now bitching and whining about higher taxes everyday. I'll I can say to that is that you reap what you sow.

Angry little fella, and wrong too..



Poll: Most Americans Remain Ignorant of Obamacare Impacts - US News and World Report


"Analysis of national data has shown that while health care cost growth continues to outpace inflation, the rate of growth in national health expenditures has slowed markedly in recent years," says a Kaiser Foundation memo that accompanied the poll results.


"The public's perception of the cost trajectory is quite different however. Nearly six in 10 adults say that over the past few years the cost of health care for the nation as a whole has been going up faster than usual," it reads.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

Angry little fella, and wrong too..



Poll: Most Americans Remain Ignorant of Obamacare Impacts - US News and World Report


"Analysis of national data has shown that while health care cost growth continues to outpace inflation, the rate of growth in national health expenditures has slowed markedly in recent years," says a Kaiser Foundation memo that accompanied the poll results.


"The public's perception of the cost trajectory is quite different however. Nearly six in 10 adults say that over the past few years the cost of health care for the nation as a whole has been going up faster than usual," it reads.

Polls, polls, polls. You can google a poll that supports just about anything you'd like but none of it matters until you take the political bias out of the search. Good luck with that. LOL! The fact is the left will believe ANYTHING as long as they feel comfortable placing their votes. Even if it means that finding the truth is actually googling a poll that supports their agenda. Simply opening their eyes and looking around could solve that problem but hey......the left thinks they can save everyone else from themselves (regardless of whether or not it's needed) but can't seem to save themselves from themselves.

 

[Bagels]

As I said....lots of ignorant and misinformed voters out there. I should have added gullible though. The left will believe anything. The fact is ObamaCare has slowly started creeping its slimy claws into the workforce. Some companies have raised their insurance premiums as a result of its crippling effect. My best friend's company raised their monthly payments and HR held a meeting to discuss it. They flat out told them it was ObamaCare causing the increase. We will start hearing similar stories as ObamaCare is fully implemented across the country. My friend said the look on all of the poor bastards faces that were all goo goo gaa gaa over Obama was priceless as HR gave them the information. And now those same people are now bitching and whining about higher taxes everyday. I'll I can say to that is that you reap what you sow.

LOL. There are a broad range of estimates for ObamaCare, with many saying the costs will be less than what we're currently paying for un/underinsured - which will ultimately stabilize the system - and others saying costs will be so high, it'll bankrupt the country. You're trying to insist the latter statement is a fact. Guess what? It's not.

And as far as ignorant people voting for Obama... the country's most educated people voted for Obama by far, whereas Romney's stronghold typically was the wealth or least educated. All those bright red states that went for Romney? As of 2010 (the latest year I could find statistics), only about half of households in places like Alabama, Mississippi, etc. had computers -- and even fewer had internet access (WOW!). And people who rely on conservative news -- e.g. Fox, conservative talk radio, etc. -- routinely tend to be the least knowledgeable (mainly because because they spread facts over propaganda).

So please don't tell me that "ignorant and misinformed" voters went for Obama, when in fact the opposite is true.