Obamacare's effect on Teamsters 2013 contract

[MenInBrown]

caharrell!!! Welcome back! Haven't heard from you since...since...oh yes, since you were blabbing on and on about the impending Romney landslide!! Finally heal the ego? Anyway, welcome back to BC.

its called being in a near fatal wreck...been battling for months, but thanks anyways.

 

[MenInBrown]

when you force private ins to become more expensive, you make employers not able to afford to pay for employees ins...that is why he said it would eventually eliminate employer based ins...when the penalty is less than the cost, the company saves money and we get screwed.

 

[Bagels]

when you force private ins to become more expensive, you make employers not able to afford to pay for employees ins...that is why he said it would eventually eliminate employer based ins...when the penalty is less than the cost, the company saves money and we get screwed.

If Obama had truly said that, it'd be all over Fox News, WSJ, etc. and used throughout the Romney Campaign. But it isn't, mainly because the two-minute video uses a collection of short clips -- some dating back to Bush's first term -- to spread propaganda.

Remember the hyped McKinsey study that hinted at such happening? It proved to be a lie.

 

[MenInBrown]

If Obama had truly said that, it'd be all over Fox News, WSJ, etc. and used throughout the Romney Campaign. But it isn't, mainly because the two-minute video uses a collection of short clips -- some dating back to Bush's first term -- to spread propaganda.

Remember the hyped McKinsey study that hinted at such happening? It proved to be a lie.

The Obamacare model proves this

 

[Anonymous 10]

If Obama had truly said that, it'd be all over Fox News, WSJ, etc. and used throughout the Romney Campaign. But it isn't, mainly because the two-minute video uses a collection of short clips -- some dating back to Bush's first term -- to spread propaganda.

Remember the hyped McKinsey study that hinted at such happening? It proved to be a lie.

I'm glad this guys on our side.

 

[bbsam]

when you force private ins to become more expensive, you make employers not able to afford to pay for employees ins...that is why he said it would eventually eliminate employer based ins...when the penalty is less than the cost, the company saves money and we get screwed.

you are probably screwed already. I find it hard to believe the fine for UPS would be more than what they pay for insurance.

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

If Obama had truly said that, it'd be all over Fox News, WSJ, etc. and used throughout the Romney Campaign. But it isn't, mainly because the two-minute video uses a collection of short clips -- some dating back to Bush's first term -- to spread propaganda.

Remember the hyped McKinsey study that hinted at such happening? It proved to be a lie.

It was on FOX news, many times. The rest of the Obama media filtered it out so that you wouldnt know, leaving you ignorant & voting against your own interests. Had more union folks known about our presidents health care plan & how it would affect private employer plans....well, we were probably still outnumbered by people voting for free stuff.

 

[Bagels]

The Obamacare model proves this

You may believe that logically, the ObamaCare model will yield one outcome while somebody else's logic believes it will yield another.

It doesn't "prove" anything. But then again, Bush probably "proved" to you that Iraq housed weapons of mass destruction. I suggest you read a broad range of opinions on various topics, if you really think that an opinion equates into proof.

TONIGHT ON FOX NEWS... don't believe the liberal media -- we have the REAL polls that show Romney ahead. And later, watch a FOX News exclusive as we help OJ find the REAL killer. But first we'll examine the mysterious circumstances that lead Shepard Smith into being our most popular anchor. We mean, seriously? How is this ****** so popular? We wish we could've fired him long time ago....

It was on FOX news, many times. The rest of the Obama media filtered it out so that you wouldnt know, leaving you ignorant & voting against your own interests. Had more union folks known about our presidents health care plan & how it would affect private employer plans....well, we were probably still outnumbered by people voting for free stuff.

LOL. There's no record of it being on FOX News... because it didn't happen. When you begin to believe that lies & distortion are reality........

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

you are probably screwed already. I find it hard to believe the fine for UPS would be more than what they pay for insurance.

IT'S not. Thats the point. The fine is less than the cost of providing insurance, funneling working class people onto the welfare government plan, as designed. Another poster called that a "loophole". I'd call that a strategy.

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

LOL. There's no record of it being on FOX News... because it didn't happen. When you begin to believe that lies & distortion are reality........

You have yet to explain Obama's own words or put them into context for us. Instead you turn your head, place your fingers in your ears & chant "it didn't happen, lalalala...".

 

[bbsam]

IT'S not. Thats the point. The fine is less than the cost of providing insurance, funneling working class people onto the welfare government plan, as designed. Another poster called that a "loophole". I'd call that a strategy.

That doesn't fit. If true, UPS would simply tell the Teamsters, "No insurance for you. End of story."

 

[Bagels]

You have yet to explain Obama's own words or put them into context for us. Instead you turn your head, place your fingers in your ears & chant "it didn't happen, lalalala...".

You linked to a video montage consisting of multiple, short 5-second clips from a broad period of time stitched together (not in order, either). Editing is an easy way to take words out of context.

I've asked you to provide a link to the full contents so it can be fact checked, and you insist the Obama Campaign scrubbed it from existence Really? And aliens rule planet Earth???

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

That doesn't fit. If true, UPS would simply tell the Teamsters, "No insurance for you. End of story."

UPS can't just end employees insurance if they want them to continue to show up for work. Thats the point of having a unionized work force, to keep things like that from happening. Our health care will die a slow death at the hands of Obamacare one contract at a time. You say it doesn't fit yet many other non-union employees HAVE lost their insurance due to the rising costs that Obamacare was supposed to cure. So yes, it does fit.

 

[bbsam]

Nonsense. May as well kill it quickly. If they want their houses and cars, they will show up.

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

You linked to a video montage consisting of multiple, short 5-second clips from a broad period of time stitched together (not in order, either). Editing is an easy way to take words out of context.

I've asked you to provide a link to the full contents so it can be fact checked, and you insist the Obama Campaign scrubbed it from existence Really? And aliens rule planet Earth???

You've seen the short clips of Obama speaking to the SEIU in March 2007 so you know the event took place. If they haven't been scrubbed, then you should be able to prove me wrong with a simple google search. Go ahead. I'm patient.

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

Nonsense. May as well kill it quickly. If they want their houses and cars, they will show up.

Using your simplistic logic why would the company pay employees more than minimum wage if they dont have to...

 

[Bagels]

You've seen the short clips of Obama speaking to the SEIU in March 2007 so you know the event took place. If they haven't been scrubbed, then you should be able to prove me wrong with a simple google search. Go ahead. I'm patient.

I don't mind a good debate, but I don't debate with whack jobs who believe in extreme conspiracy theories. Have a good week . Don't let the aliens anal probe you......

 

[trickpony1]

IT'S not. Thats the point. The fine is less than the cost of providing insurance, funneling working class people onto the welfare government plan, as designed. Another poster called that a "loophole". I'd call that a strategy.

Smurf-
You're trying to reason with people that can't grasp the concept that obama's objective is to be in full and complete control of the people. It starts with health care and then proceeds to other aspects of life. Obama's plan will take years, one small increment at a time, until one day we all wake up and.....POOF......we are a socialist/marxist nation in preparation for the New World Order that others (I don't make this stuff up) have talked about. One government, one religion and one currency.

 

[Jones]

And now it's officially tin foil hat time....

 

[trickpony1]

And now it's officially tin foil hat time....

Is that your only defense?