Orion warning letters

[BigUnionGuy]

If UPS tells you to follow ORION at 100% you have no choice but to follow ORION at 100% or risk disciplinary action. No ands, ifs or buts.

Exceptions are going to happen.

You are starting, to sound like an OMS.



-Bug-

 

[Mugarolla]

You are starting, to sound like an OMS.



-Bug-

Let me get this straight. So you, as a BA I think, are telling people that they do not have to work as instructed? Is this really what you are saying?

I'm glad I'm not in your local.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

You have some nerve.

Nobody.... female OMS.

Let me get this straight. So you, as a BA I think, are telling people that they do not have to work as instructed?

Need I say more ?



-Bug-

 

[Mugarolla]

Need I say more ?

The following gives the impression that you are telling people not to worry about discipline over ORION because it has to be negotiated in the contract first. So they cannot get disciplined over ORION for at least 3 more years. So there is no need to follow a set percentage of ORION.

I mean that is what it says.....

Need I say more?

If the company would try that, and say they can discipline for it....

The issue would (then) be subject to collective bargaining with the Union.


The first chance they will get, would be in the next contract negotiations.



-Bug-

 

[BigUnionGuy]

The following gives the impression that you are telling people not to worry about discipline over ORION because it has to be negotiated in the contract first. So they cannot get disciplined over ORION for at least 3 more years. So there is no need to follow a set percentage of ORION.

I mean that is what it says.....

Need I say more?

I have always felt a "kindred spirit" with Lezbots.

In the sense.... we both like women.



-Bug-

 

[Mugarolla]

I have always felt a "kindred spirit" with Lezbots.

In the sense.... we both like women.



-Bug-

Now you're reduced to name calling?

When you lose a debate you can't take it like a man?

 

[Mugarolla]

I have to go Bug. I'm done with you anyway.

When you don't get your way or someone points out that you're wrong, you go to name calling.

Very professional.

 

[sealbasher]

Thank god I got out before orion,telematics,I've always said,deliveries and pick ups smallest part of the job

 

[BigUnionGuy]

When you lose a debate you can't take it like a man?

Am I right ?

I have to go Bug. I'm done with you anyway.

When you don't get your way or someone points out that you're wrong, you go to name calling.

Very professional.

I was wrong.

You can blame it all on me.



-Bug-

 

[Mugarolla]

Am I right ?

You are usually right about contractual language and give good advice.

I was wrong.

Occasionally you are wrong. I do not point it out to chastise you. I point it out so that others here on BC do not follow incorrect advice.

I don't blame it on you. But you act like a 10 year old when someone proves you wrong.

You can call me anything you want. It just proves your ignorance.

 

[10 point]

I don't know about other facilities but in ours, during the implementation of the PAS system, drivers were "mandated" to drive the route using the manifest order in edd at 85%. Some did. And what a mess that precipitated in the terms of excess miles, missed deliveries, and 9.5's.
The threats of discipline for not attaining a consistent mandated percentage quickly evaporated with the absolute cluster the "system" created.
Taking two routes out of a 33 route building took more intelligence than what they presumed and when ssi accounts protested to the division level bosses it poured plenty of water on the agenda of the PAS masterminds.
We never got to see what they'd do if we didn't make their percentages work.
It'll probably be the same way again...after we honk off customers again.

All the public knows is that we don't make left hand turns. All the workers feel is that we'd wish they'd just leave us alone and let us service our great customer base.

That's what I was trying to illustrate.


The company still can't discipline, without collectively bargaining over the issue.

Some Locals might be letting that happen.


Case in point;

When EDD was implemented, how many members do you know....

Were disciplined or terminated for not constantly hitting 85% ?

None that I know of.

I have never seen a Driver, even get a warning letter.


Orion is just a fad, that will pass.

Like they all do....



-Bug-

That's what I said but PAS wasn't a good litmus test since it was at least a challenge for those in charge here.

Some locals. Why is that BUG? Why ANY local?

You wonder why people don't push issues of termination and being "made whole" to the panels (that was Stonefish's question)???

Because of "some locals" representation.

It's easier just to work as directed than to bank on support from two faced representation when you stick your neck out for principal.

 

[10 point]

That's what I was trying to illustrate.


The company still can't discipline, without collectively bargaining over the issue.

Some Locals might be letting that happen.


Case in point;

When EDD was implemented, how many members do you know....

Were disciplined or terminated for not constantly hitting 85% ?

None that I know of.

I have never seen a Driver, even get a warning letter.


Orion is just a fad, that will pass.

Like they all do....



-Bug-

Paid by the hour. Now, it's easier because we don't have to think about what makes sense.

 

[Stonefish]

That's what I said but PAS wasn't a good litmus test since it was at least a challenge for those in charge here.

Some locals. Why is that BUG? Why ANY local?

You wonder why people don't push issues of termination and being "made whole" to the panels (that was Stonefish's question)???

Because of "some locals" representation.

It's easier just to work as directed than to bank on support from two faced representation when you stick your neck out for principal.

Ok I took the bait please explain the stonefish comment.

 

[10 point]

Ok I took the bait please explain the stonefish comment.

The March 22, 2014 post you made.

Nothing's changed.

Don't be negative.

 

[Stonefish]

The March 22, 2014 post you made.

Nothing's changed.

Don't be negative.

I don't remember what I wrote and I'm not going back to look. I thought you could tell me. I stopped posting because of the same ol same. I just read. I saw me being referenced and thought I'd ask. Going back to just periodically looking. No time for reading the same thing over and over and over and over.

 

[10 point]

I don't remember what I wrote and I'm not going back to look. I thought you could tell me. I stopped posting because of the same ol same. I just read. I saw me being referenced and thought I'd ask. Going back to just periodically looking. No time for reading the same thing over and over and over and over.

Basically, you said what i wrote.
You posted about members who wouldn't go thru the whole process and fight for their rights, back pay, and trust the system not to fail them when they were right.

They take a loss of pay while waiting on the grievance process to work thru and just go back to work without getting made whole when a deal is offered before the state panel because they don't have the faith that justice and truth will prevail.

My question is: Why would they think that?

The underlying answer is the same in many cases.
Trust....and the lack thereof.

Sometimes, it may not be worth the gamble to the employee but most of the time there's the fear of the uncertainty of deal cutting and being on the losing side of that situation.

How is it that I remember what you post but you don't?

 

[Bubblehead]

It must be confusing having more than one identity on this site, unless you truly have a split personality.

 

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[Stonefish]

It must be confusing having more than one identity on this site, unless you truly have a split personality.

I only have one identity. And mine doesn't include whining everyday like you and others. That's why I quit posting and I am done again. Just had to see what the other whinner was talking about. See ya

 

[10 point]

You're just negative.