Palestinian-Israel Conflict (War?)

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vantexan

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Notice something. I didn't say Afghanistan. But it is Muslim and so is Pakistan which means that terror cells would likely be welcomed. Try reading something other than your bible.
You said we were involved in three Middle East wars. If not Afghanistan then who else other than Iraq and Kuwait? We lost people in Lebanon but weren't fighting a war there.

I've forgotten more about history than you'll ever know. Not saying that to boast, just know you enjoy saying we're all uninformed rubes who don't know anything for lack of credentials. And yet you demonstrate a lack of knowledge constantly. Make it up as you go because you figure us rubes won't know the difference. Crack a book.
 

bacha29

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I'm not a fan of Israel politically, but militarily as long as we supply them they could defeat the entire Arab world simultaneously

equally supplied, the Israelis will never ever be defeated by Arabs
Not as long as the US keeps them supplied militarily and the US taxpayers will continue to foot the bill and you don't know how long that's going to be Now if the Israelis go into Gaza and the death toll among civilians especially the young is too high Iran with both it's Hamas and Hezbolah , ISIS, Islamic Jihad, terrorist operations that Iran, Yemen. Pakistan have all over the world might chose to retaliate with attacks on the countless numbers of soft targets all over the western world.

Think that can't happen? Israel is considered to have a global intelligence gathering and surveillance network that is second to none other in the world. Yet it didn't have a solitary clue that Hamas was going to do a breakout.

Same goes for the US on 9-11 . Tiny bits and pieces nothing that gave the US sufficient warning to develop an effective counter measure until it was too late. And don't think that the prospect of another major terrorist attack on American soil is not on the minds of FBI, DHS, NSC the Pentagon and the White House.
 

PT Car Washer

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You said we were involved in three Middle East wars. If not Afghanistan then who else other than Iraq and Kuwait? We lost people in Lebanon but weren't fighting a war there.

I've forgotten more about history than you'll ever know. Not saying that to boast, just know you enjoy saying we're all uninformed rubes who don't know anything for lack of credentials. And yet you demonstrate a lack of knowledge constantly. Make it up as you go because you figure us rubes won't know the difference. Crack a book.
241 US Marines were killed in Lebanon but you say that doesn't count. I guess you mean because they knew what they volunteered for. Same thing trump said about US losses in Africa.
 

bacha29

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You said we were involved in three Middle East wars. If not Afghanistan then who else other than Iraq and Kuwait? We lost people in Lebanon but weren't fighting a war there.

I've forgotten more about history than you'll ever know. Not saying that to boast, just know you enjoy saying we're all uninformed rubes who don't know anything for lack of credentials. And yet you demonstrate a lack of knowledge constantly. Make it up as you go because you figure us rubes won't know the difference. Crack a book.
And just what level of formal education in the field Middle Eastern studies do you actually have? I'm not saying that any of you are uniformed rubes. At the same time you all seem to badly underestimate the gravity of the current situation in the Middle East and that one poor decision or knee jerk reaction could set off a firestorm of tit for tat, eye for an eye military responses that can not be contained to just the Middle Eastern region .

You guys all seem to what to escalate the tensions and promote all out war at a time when western governments are and for good reason try to deescalate the situation
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
eye for an eye military responses that can not be contained
No one has suggested Israel should rape, murder, and kidnap innocent civilians like the disgusting animals from Gaza did.

No one.

We're suggesting Israel has a right to seek out and destroy the animals that attacked them. YOU are suggesting to let those terrorists live.
 

bacha29

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241 US Marines were killed in Lebanon but you say that doesn't count. I guess you mean because they knew what they volunteered for. Same thing trump said about US losses in Africa.
Spot on . It would appear that some on here think that Israel can just go into Gaza and indiscriminately slaughter any Gazan resident who just happens to get in the way.
What's interesting is how Israel is ordering all the residents of Northern Gaza to evacuate south. Now when this is all over will the residents of Northern Gaza be allowed to return. or will it become the home base for a new Israeli settlement once the rubble from the Gazan residents homes gets bulldozed out of the way and the site is cleared?
 

Fred's Myth

Nonhyphenated American
Lebanon , (Reagan), Kuwait, (Big Bush), Afghanistan (Mini Bush) and still part of the Muslim world. We weren't in their killing Buddhists and Iraq( Mini Bush) and anybody find any of Saddam Hussein's WMD's lately?
Notice something. I didn't say Afghanistan. But it is Muslim and so is Pakistan which means that terror cells would likely be welcomed. Try reading something other than your bible.
So, you didn't say it, but you WERE referring to it.

Delusional.

BTW, what are your credentials to discuss the Mideast?
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Not as long as the US keeps them supplied militarily and the US taxpayers will continue to foot the bill and you don't know how long that's going to be Now if the Israelis go into Gaza and the death toll among civilians especially the young is too high Iran with both it's Hamas and Hezbolah , ISIS, Islamic Jihad, terrorist operations that Iran, Yemen. Pakistan have all over the world might chose to retaliate with attacks on the countless numbers of soft targets all over the western world.

Think that can't happen? Israel is considered to have a global intelligence gathering and surveillance network that is second to none other in the world. Yet it didn't have a solitary clue that Hamas was going to do a breakout.

Same goes for the US on 9-11 . Tiny bits and pieces nothing that gave the US sufficient warning to develop an effective counter measure until it was too late. And don't think that the prospect of another major terrorist attack on American soil is not on the minds of FBI, DHS, NSC the Pentagon and the White House.
You're just trying to get out of supporting Israel and keep the crazies of your party happy. We've had a long standing security relationship with Israel. They were attacked and we're standing by them as we should. And if that means other countries attack us we'll deal with it.
 

bacha29

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So, you didn't say it, but you WERE referring to it.

Delusional.

BTW, what are your credentials to discuss the Mideast?
About the same as the guys who think that peace would immediately follow an all out Israeli attack on Gaza stacking up bodies of Gazan civilians like fire wood while the Arab world stood by and did nothing.
 

vantexan

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Lebanon , (Reagan), Kuwait, (Big Bush), Afghanistan (Mini Bush) and still part of the Muslim world. We weren't in their killing Buddhists and Iraq( Mini Bush) and anybody find any of Saddam Hussein's WMD's lately?
Afghanistan isn't the Middle East, it's Central Asia. If you're going to bloviate at least get the terms right.
 

vantexan

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About the same as the guys who think that peace would immediately follow an all out Israeli attack on Gaza stacking up bodies of Gazan civilians like fire wood while the Arab world stood by and did nothing.
You would have us stand by and do nothing. Or take the Palestinians side.
 

bacha29

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No, I'm saying we were there on a police action, not a war.
Right .Just like Korea 1950 where something like 38,000 American combat soldiers died for a tie in that police action . At least Reagan saw we were beat and pulled out with only 241 killed. For a self appointed expert on the Muslin region funny you never mentioned that. Same thing with Reagan's attack on Libya where we lost an F111 crew shot down
 

vantexan

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Right .Just like Korea 1950 where something like 38,000 American combat soldiers died for a tie in that police action . At least Reagan saw we were beat and pulled out with only 241 killed. For a self appointed expert on the Muslin region funny you never mentioned that. Same thing with Reagan's attack on Libya where we lost an F111 crew shot down
There's no comparison between Lebanon and Korea. And apparently anyone who knows more than you on a subject is a self appointed expert. Crack a book.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Spot on . It would appear that some on here think that Israel can just go into Gaza and indiscriminately slaughter any Gazan resident who just happens to get in the way.
What's interesting is how Israel is ordering all the residents of Northern Gaza to evacuate south. Now when this is all over will the residents of Northern Gaza be allowed to return. or will it become the home base for a new Israeli settlement once the rubble from the Gazan residents homes gets bulldozed out of the way and the site is cleared?
With any luck Hamas will be destroyed and Gazans will vote in an authority who is willing to work with Israel in exchange for relief aid and a better future.
 
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