CaliforniaPaul
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Its Dave's time of the month.
President Obama!
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UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Look what crawled out of the woodwork!
Are you defending our excessive use of force to end WW II?
I didn't see anyone writing out a check for Pearl Harbor.There was no need to bomb theout of them, not just once, but twice.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Pearl Harbor 2,403 casualties 1,178 injuries
Nagasaki/Hiroshima
Within the first two to four months of the bombings, the acute effects of the atomic bombings killed 90,000–146,000 people in Hiroshima and 39,000–80,000 in Nagasaki; roughly half of the deaths in each city occurred on the first day.
Proportional response?
Should we have waited till they killed more of us?
BakerMayfield2018
Fight the power.
Good , good.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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No, not at all, nor am I condoning what they did; however, I am also not condoning our decision to bomb the
out of them. The use of nuclear weapons was completely over the line.And how about this?No, not at all, nor am I condoning what they did; however, I am also not condoning our decision to bomb the
Beware Of Japanese Balloon Bombs
They wanted us dead. Kill or be killed
BakerMayfield2018
Fight the power.
No, not at all, nor am I condoning what they did; however, I am also not condoning our decision to bomb the
I wish there was a local radio station you could call to discuss this on.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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KBCF----California
You can call,not me
1989
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And what would have been the appropriate force to end the war, general upstate? Remember, nobody had 20/20 hindsight in 1945.No, not at all, nor am I condoning what they did; however, I am also not condoning our decision to bomb the
It wasn't a big surprise they were getting bombed. They dropped flyers all over the place warning them. They had ample time to surrender.
Babagounj
Strength through joy
Nanking Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
December 13, 1937 – January 1938
Location Nanjing, China
Result 50,000–300,000 dead (primary sources)
40,000–300,000 dead (scholarly consensus)
300,000 dead (Chinese government, scholarly consensus in China)
Babagounj
Strength through joy
Operation Downfall - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A joint British-American planning team produced a plan ("Appreciation and Plan for the Defeat of Japan") which did not call for an invasion of the Japanese home islands until 1947–48.
The American Joint Chiefs of Staff believed that prolonging the war to such an extent was dangerous for national morale. The Combined Chiefs of Staff agreed that Japan should be forced to surrender not more than one year after Germany's surrender.
The United States Navy urged the use of a blockade and airpower to bring about Japan's capitulation. They proposed operations to capture airbases in nearby Shanghai, China, and Korea, which would give the United States Army Air Forces a series of forward airbases from which to bombard Japan into submission. The Army, on the other hand, argued that such a strategy could "prolong the war indefinitely" and expend lives needlessly, and therefore that an invasion was necessary.
A study done for Secretary of War Henry Stimson's staff by William Shockley estimated that conquering Japan would cost 1.7–4 million American casualties, including 400,000–800,000 fatalities, and five to ten million Japanese fatalities.
A joint British-American planning team produced a plan ("Appreciation and Plan for the Defeat of Japan") which did not call for an invasion of the Japanese home islands until 1947–48.
The American Joint Chiefs of Staff believed that prolonging the war to such an extent was dangerous for national morale. The Combined Chiefs of Staff agreed that Japan should be forced to surrender not more than one year after Germany's surrender.
The United States Navy urged the use of a blockade and airpower to bring about Japan's capitulation. They proposed operations to capture airbases in nearby Shanghai, China, and Korea, which would give the United States Army Air Forces a series of forward airbases from which to bombard Japan into submission. The Army, on the other hand, argued that such a strategy could "prolong the war indefinitely" and expend lives needlessly, and therefore that an invasion was necessary.
A study done for Secretary of War Henry Stimson's staff by William Shockley estimated that conquering Japan would cost 1.7–4 million American casualties, including 400,000–800,000 fatalities, and five to ten million Japanese fatalities.
Future
Victory Ride
I was thinking more of your black Heart .... LOL
Future
Victory Ride
on your second idea there .... Had to be done .... saved countless lives
oldngray
nowhere special
Estimates were it would have cost 1 million lives if the US had invaded Japan. Many more than the bombs caused.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
I disagree it had to be done.
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