The OCO isn't "off the books" and unknown. It's a budget gimmick that all administrations since it's inception have used. Of course you try to put it on Bush but Obama's administration used it as well. But it's a far cry from being a hush, hush, here's some money as they furtively glance at passersby, which is how you seem to want to characterize it. Personally I think we should get out of Afghanistan, it's a constant drain and highly doubtful we'll ever see a real democracy there. Bringing those troops home might keep spending under budget caps and possibly eliminate the need for the OCO. But let's not try to put this on Republican administrations. Both sides are using it.
President Trump
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Yes. Bush began it. Obama used it. Trump may as well too, right? Cuz that what I said when I brought the subject up.
Was created in '97. Bush took over in 2001.
So Bush began the tradition of raiding it?
Fred's Myth
Nonhyphenated American
Or put the fire out with a hatchet!
Fred's Myth
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I'm aware there is an abortion thread elsewhere, but there is an easier way to eliminate them.
Since supporters of abortion deem it an essential procedure, simply legislate that the providers must do it free of charge.
Abortion would immediately be eliminated.
MAKAVELI
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Are births free of charge?
bottomups
Bad Moon Risen'
How would Israel survive without our $4 Billion a year?
floridays
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And the cost to the steel buyer. Us steel producers can now freely raise their prices 24% compared to the lowest foreign price and still be cheaper. The result is higher prices to the initial business and final recipient of any product that includes steel as component or steel as the final product. That is only the beginning of the economic ramifications.
I'd say we aren't sitting on it (oil), demand has driven up the costs for crude, there is a lag between extraction and refinement. The higher cost is associated with the current demand and refining capabilities. The free market. My opinion, I welcome opposing views.
We have no control over the OPEC countries, but I noticed Saudi Arabia has responded to the President's call to increase their extraction of crude. There will still be a lag on when the crude enters the market as refined gas, and prices will reflect that. Higher fuel prices are a result of growing economic conditions and consumption (to the exclusion of California).
Fred's Myth
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Normal births don't involve the butchering of a preborn human being.
MAKAVELI
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You didn't answer the question. Nice deflection. It seems that's what you do best.
DriveInDriveOut
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Fred's Myth
Nonhyphenated American
Coming from the Master of Deflection, I will consider that a compliment.
MAKAVELI
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And I'll take that as you don't want to backup your statement.
newfie
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a deflector has spoken
MAKAVELI
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Yes you have. What's your point?
DriveInDriveOut
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