Prominent REPUBLICANS now actively supporting HILLARY CLINTON!!!
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Not trying to carry water for anyone but not sure what you are implying from reading the article, which really isn't new news. Are you implying folks who get subsidies won't feel the effects, at least dramatically, because they are subsidized? That money is coming from somewhere - our children will be paying for it as well as us.
If you are referring to the comment that the first two years allegedly had lower costs than non ACA programs in the past, that is because the insurers lost their shirts and didn't charge enough.
If you are referring to comments that NON ACA medical costs are also increasing at a higher rate, that is the whole point. The Affordable Care Act is a misnomer which did nothing to manage or reduce health care costs in general, it just created subsidies. The right thing to do would have been to actually manage costs to make insurance affordable without subsidies. Create interstate competition, allow people to tailor plans to their needs instead of requiring coverage for everything under the sun, promote effective use of resources instead of creating demand by having disincentives for using the emergency room for the sniffles, reduce the overuse of drugs like opiates that lead to addiction or penicillin that leads to MSRA, actually shine the light on the exorbitent costs for end of life care where we are keeping folks who are husks of themselves in pain or drugged to the point of insensibility instead of letting them die with dignity, etc.
DriveInDriѵeOut
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For starters, my suggestion that he read the article, was so that he could gain some insight into the situation, rather than just say, "thanks Obama", and move on to some other rhetorical garbage people like him yap about.
I agree with much of what you're saying. Medical costs are increasing, as they have been for years and will continue to do for years to come, indefinitely. Whether the ACA has had a positive or negative effect on those costs, we probably won't know for decades, if ever. My guess would be negative, but I'm a pessimist.
Other than the "tailor plans to their needs" argument, I agree completely with what you're saying. The ACA was nothing more than the same system we've always had, but with government subsidies. It was a huge handout to the insurance companies, and I think it says a lot about the state of our two party system that it was passed by democrats, as it seems like a republican politician's wet dream. Birds of a feather.
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MrFedEx
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Every day, more and more MAINSTREAM Republicans come out against Trump. Not Republicans in name only, just reasonable professionals who know Trump is insane.
realbrown1
Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
Mainstream = Establishment = Rinos = Globalists = Democrat.
Trump is upsetting the apple cart.
And some people will fight like hell to keep that apple cart just the way it is.
So then, you AGREE, that the republican party is dead, right? When you are willing to discharge an entire segment of republicans, then you really have no party and you now are the party of DRUMPF. So, dont call yourself a Republican any longer.
When you can reject the sentiments of your own party, then you are really on an island, Fantasy Island and now all you need is NEWFIE to shout out... DA PLANE DA PLANE and you would be all set..
TOS.
Senior Senator Susan Collins (R) has come out to say she WILL NOT vote for DRUMPF.. saying about DRUMPF....
“My conclusion about Mr. Trump’s unsuitability for office is based on his disregard for the precept of treating others with respect, an idea that should transcend politics. Instead, he opts to mock the vulnerable and inflame prejudices by attacking ethnic and religious minorities,”
Susan Collins: I'm not voting for Trump
“My conclusion about Mr. Trump’s unsuitability for office is based on his disregard for the precept of treating others with respect, an idea that should transcend politics. Instead, he opts to mock the vulnerable and inflame prejudices by attacking ethnic and religious minorities,”
Susan Collins: I'm not voting for Trump
George Will, conservative writer for many years, QUIT the republican party and supports Hillary Clinton for President.. saying about DRUPMF....
" Trump get the nomination, conservatives would have to “help him lose 50 states – condign punishment for his comprehensive disdain for conservative essentials, including the manners and grace that should lubricate the nation’s civic life.”
For you midwest readers... CONDIGN means:
condign
adjective con·dign \kən-ˈdīn, ˈkän-ˌ\
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Definition of condign
" Trump get the nomination, conservatives would have to “help him lose 50 states – condign punishment for his comprehensive disdain for conservative essentials, including the manners and grace that should lubricate the nation’s civic life.”
For you midwest readers... CONDIGN means:
condign
adjective con·dign \kən-ˈdīn, ˈkän-ˌ\
Popularity: Bottom 40% of words
Definition of condign
- : deserved, appropriate <condign punishment>
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Best thing EVAH... is this list of 100 republicans who will not support DRUMPF....
The Hill complied a list of almost 100 Republicans who currently say they won’t back Trump as the nominee:
Read more at See list of 99 top Republicans who refuse to back Trump
The Hill complied a list of almost 100 Republicans who currently say they won’t back Trump as the nominee:
- Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.
- Rep. Justin Amash, R-Mich.
- Gov. Charlie Baker, R-Mass.
- Brian Bartlett, former Mitt Romney aide and GOP communications strategist
- Glenn Beck, radio host
- Michael Berry, radio host
- Max Boot, former foreign policy adviser to Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla.
- Brent Bozell, conservative activist
- Bruce Carroll, creator GayPatriot.org
- Jay Caruso, RedState
- Mona Charen, senior fellow at Ethics and Public Policy Center
- Linda Chavez, columnist
- Dean Clancy, former FreedomWorks vice president
- Eliot Cohen, former George W. Bush official
- Former Sen. Norm Coleman, R-Minn.
- Charles C. W. Cooke, writer for National Review
- Doug Coon, Stay Right podcast
- Rory Cooper, GOP strategist, managing director Purple Strategies
- Jim Cunneen, former Calif. assemblyman
- Rep. Carlos Curbelo, R-Fla.
- Steve Deace, radio host
- Rep. Bob Dold, R-Ill.
- Erick Erickson, writer
- Mindy Finn, president, Empowered Women
- David French, writer at National Review
- Jon Gabriel, editor-in-chief, Ricochet.com
- Michael Graham, radio host
- Jonah Goldberg, writer
- Alan Goldsmith, former staffer, House Committee on Foreign Affairs.
- Stephen Gutowski, writer Washington Free Beacon
- Rep. Richard Hanna, R-N.Y.
- Jamie Brown Hantman, former special assistant for legislative affairs for President George W. Bush
- Stephen Hayes, senior writer at The Weekly Standard
- Doug Heye, former RNC communications director
- Quin Hillyer, contributing editor at National Review Online; senior editor at the American Spectator
- Ben Howe, RedState writer
- Former Rep. Bob Inglis, R-S.C.
- Cheri Jacobus, GOP consultant and former Hill columnist
- Robert Kagan, former Reagan official
- Randy Kendrick, GOP mega-donor
- Matt Kibbe, former FreedomWorks CEO
- Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill.
- Philip Klein, managing editor at the Washington Examiner
- Bill Kristol, The Weekly Standard editor
- Mark Levin, radio host
- Justin LoFranco, former Scott Walker aide
- Kevin Madden, former Mitt Romney aide
- Bethany Mandel, senior contributor at The Federalist
- Tucker Martin, communications director to former Gov. Bob McDonnell’s, R-Va.
- Former RNC Chairman Mel Martínez
- Liz Mair, GOP strategist
- Lachlan Markey, writer for the Free Beacon
- David McIntosh, Club for Growth president
- Dan McLaughlin, editor at RedState.com
- Ken Mehlman, former RNC chairman
- Tim Miller, Our Principles PAC
- Joyce Mulliken, former Washington state senator
- Ted Newton, political consultant & former Mitt Romney aide
- James Nuzzo, former White House aide
- Katie Packer, chairwoman of Our Principles PAC
- Former Gov. George Pataki, R-N.Y.
- Former Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas
- Katie Pavlich, Townhall editor and Hill columnist
- Brittany Pounders, conservative writer
- Rep. Reid Ribble, R- Wisc.
- The Ricketts family, GOP mega-donors
- Former Gov. Tom Ridge, R-Pa.
- Rep. Scott Rigell, R-Va.
- Mitt Romney, 2012 GOP presidential nominee
- Paul Rosenzweig, former deputy assistant secretary, Department of Homeland Security
- Jennifer Rubin, Washington Post conservative blogger
- Patrick Ruffini, partner, Echelon Insights
- Sarah Rumpf, former BreitBart contributor
- Mark Salter, writer and former aide to John McCain
- Rep. Mark Sanford, R-S.C.
- Sen. Ben Sasse, R- Neb.
- Elliott Schwartz, Our Principles PAC
- Gabriel Schoenfeld, senior fellow, Hudson Institute
- Tara Setmayer, CNN analyst and former GOP staffer
- Ben Shapiro, editor-in-chief The Daily Wire
- Evan Siegfried, GOP strategist and commentator
- Ben Stein, actor and political commentator
- Brendan Steinhauser, GOP consultant
- Stuart Stevens, former Romney strategist
- Paul Singer, GOP mega-donor
- Erik Soderstrom, former field director for Carly Fiorina
- Charlie Sykes, radio host
- Brad Thor, writer
- Michael R. Treiser, former Mitt Romney aide
- Daniel P. Vajdich, former national security adviser to Ted Cruz
- Connor Walsh, former digital director for former Rep. Eric Cantor, R-Va., founder Build Digital
- Former Rep. J.C. Watts, R-Okla.
- Peter Wehner, New York Times contributor
- Former Gov. Christine Todd Whitman, R-N.J.
- George Will, writer
- Rick Wilson, Republican strategist
- Nathan Wurtzel, Make America Awesome super-PAC
- Bill Yarbrough, chairman of the Republican Liberty Caucus of Ohio
- Dave Yost, Ohio auditor of state
Read more at See list of 99 top Republicans who refuse to back Trump
realbrown1
Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
Way to spin it.
The Republican party is not dead.
They are just getting rid of the liberal sheep with in their ranks.
And growing by adding tons of former Democrats and Independents.
Trump, in a landslide.
Sportello
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Monty Python fan?
newfie
Well-Known Member
“There’s no way to lie down with somebody like Hillary without ending up dead,”
Is There Any Truth to the "Clinton Body Count" Rumors?
newfie
Well-Known Member
duh moment? Trump has been fighting the mainstream republicans his whole campaign.
DriveInDriѵeOut
Inordinately Right
Your link says there isn't.
newfie
Well-Known Member
i'm trying to post a list of the 13 million that voted for him but I keep getting error messages that say the file is too large.
you know what comes next ?
BrownArmy
Well-Known Member
i'm trying to post a list of the 13 million that voted for him but I keep getting error messages that say the file is too large.
you know what comes next ?
'Mic Drops' are reserved for conversation ending rebuttals that destroy the foundation of an opponents argument.
You seem to be misusing the term.
criminals who have destroyed the country endorse other criminals who have destroyed / will continue to destroy the country.
Abby Martin @AbbyMartin Aug 8
Tone-deaf media thinks continuous coverage of Bush criminals coming out to endorse Hillary will help ppl like & trust her. Does the opposite
Abby Martin @AbbyMartin Aug 8
Tone-deaf media thinks continuous coverage of Bush criminals coming out to endorse Hillary will help ppl like & trust her. Does the opposite
BrownArmy
Well-Known Member
Abby Martin is hot...
Catatonic
Nine Lives
Looking a little green there Sport!Trump's apple cart:
