wkmac
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That would depend on your POV and how open you are to the idea of comparative religions. If you're looking for a "happy ending" while viewing, that is very unlikely.
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That would depend on your POV and how open you are to the idea of comparative religions. If you're looking for a "happy ending" while viewing, that is very unlikely.
Good...bad...now I'm confused!
wkmac
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Good...bad...now I'm confused!
Dare to take a chance for once.
Gotta run. I'm doing roadie and drum tech duties and we've got load in at 8 pm with the show at 11:30.
Nighty night!
trickpony1
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Candy man, Candy man, Candy man.....
wkmac
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Ah, the Devil's Interval or what the Renaissance era church call Diabolus in Musicus also called the tritone. Actually it is very common and quite popular, even beyond rock music. For example, the Devil's interval is used in the christian hymn "A Mighty Fortress is our God" where in the first verse, 3rd line the hymn states, “For still our ancient foe, doth seek to work us woe.” and then in the third verse, 3rd line, “The Prince of Darkness grim, we tremble not for him.” the melody for both uses the Devil's Interval. Beethoven and Wagner among many others used it and if you listen to much music yourself you might be surprised at how often you hear it or even sing it in church. Heard all through rock music but came into its own thanks to the opening track on Black Sabbath's first album titled Black Sabbath. The song opens in G, up an octave and then to C# giving it that devilish feel. Sabbath's bassist Geezer Butler had been listening to Gustav Holst's, The Planets Suite and played a fragment from Mars for Tony Iommi who came up with the dark tritone the next day and metal history was never the same.
Here's a quick lesson in music theory and you might realize you hear it more often than you think. If a musical note gives you a feeling of dissonance, unease or feeling a lack of conclusion, it's likely you just heard a tritone, the devil's interval.
My favorite use of the Tritone is early King Crimson's correctly named The Devil's Triangle where the interval is played on the mellotron giving the sound an even more devilish feel to it.
wkmac
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Good...bad...now I'm confused!
Did you summon the courage to watch it?
trickpony1
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wkmac-
You seem to be quite knowledgeable in issues related to
the devil?
You seem to be quite knowledgeable in issues related to
the devil?
wkmac
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Are you saying that music is of the devil?
wkmac
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As more and more Christian and Biblical theologians raise serious questions concerning the historicity of figures in the bible, we have an Islamic scholar doing the same in regards to Muhammad and Islam.
If Mohammad did indeed not exist in history, what does this do to the Quran? Since this piece was published, Kalisch has gone on the renounce Islam and join the growing numbers of scholars to question the historicity of leading figures important to the 3 faiths that grew out of the Abrahamic traditions.
Islamic Theologian's Theory: It's Likely the Prophet Muhammad Never Existed
If Mohammad did indeed not exist in history, what does this do to the Quran? Since this piece was published, Kalisch has gone on the renounce Islam and join the growing numbers of scholars to question the historicity of leading figures important to the 3 faiths that grew out of the Abrahamic traditions.
Islamic Theologian's Theory: It's Likely the Prophet Muhammad Never Existed
Started in on it. So far doesn't seem to require too much courage.
trickpony1
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Just because you put a question mark on the end of a sentence doesn't make it a question?
MrFedEx
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The pelvis of Elvis was where the devil entered music, and we've been on a downhill moral spiral ever since. Oh Jeebus, where are you!
wkmac
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Seemed more a statement that a question.
But as for being knowledgeable on the devil, knowledgeable enough to know it's a reaction when extreme monotheism confronts the idea that a single god is the source of all things, both good and evil. Thus the idea of a loving god seems impossible and we are confronted with the issue that god either refuses to stop evil or is powerless to do so. This may seem a favorite "gotcha" meme among modern atheists and the non-religious but it was also a serious question being considered by philosophers way, way back in the day as polytheism began to be challenged by an emerging monotheism.
Facing this problem, as Judaism moved into monotheism from polytheism as a result of conquest by Babylon, this was a circle, a single god of both good and evil, that absolute monotheism could not square. But with the Persian conquest of Babylon and King Cyrus returning the jews to Jerusalem along with his (Cyrus) financing, Persian Zoroastrianism and its dualism of the good god and the evil lesser god provided the answers. This is another reason that earlier biblical writings did not have the devil as this stand alone figure in opposition to god as much as we see in the NT.
In Job for example, Satan works with god, acting as his prosecutor and actually defending god's honor. The word Satan, transliterated not translated, from the hebrew Saw-Tan is not so much a name as it is a title. It should be "The Satan" and not just Satan but the word itself just means accuser in the same fashion as a prosecuting attorney who stands on behalf of the court and not in opposition too.
But as Jerusalem enters the Interbiblical Period, Persia, Greek, Maccabaean and Roman period, the dualistic nature of an adversary from whom all evil comes begins to develop and emerge. Read the non canonical texts of the era and you will see your modern version of the devil being born and grown. By the time the gospels came into being late 1st/2nd century CE, the Zoroastrian concept of Ahura Mazda, the supreme/creator or good god and Angra Mainyu, the evil spirit of lesser power from which all evil comes had become fully developed into Judean religious concepts and came into their own as to what we see in our modern Yahweh/Jehovah as the supreme creator god of good and Satan/Devil and the lesser god of evil.
Now back to what you called a question.
Answer: Yeah, I tend to think so.
And all I did above was barely scratch the surface.
wkmac
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I do trust you. Would probably be further along if it were the kind of movie I had first envisioned.See, you should have trusted me to begin with!
wkmac
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If you have some background in comparative religious studies and know what you are looking at, the bible is a storehouse of knowledge as it relates to the diversity of belief. When you begin to understand this area of the planet from which the bible emerged as we know it, was not an area whose peoples were so much originators of but rather aggregators of such teaching and knowledge from other sources and cultures.
You then begin to understand later practices of adapting other traditions such as what we see at Christmas and Easter even though none of these traditions were spoken of at all in the bible. Sourcing to the original, one might even appreciate and even value the choices made and why. Traditions and customs were commonly re-written from the older "pagan" forms to now take on the new Christian form and in time to become so entrenched as to almost appear as if they are always with us from the start.
10 Ways The Bible Was Influenced By Other Religions
You then begin to understand later practices of adapting other traditions such as what we see at Christmas and Easter even though none of these traditions were spoken of at all in the bible. Sourcing to the original, one might even appreciate and even value the choices made and why. Traditions and customs were commonly re-written from the older "pagan" forms to now take on the new Christian form and in time to become so entrenched as to almost appear as if they are always with us from the start.
10 Ways The Bible Was Influenced By Other Religions
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Appears whomever wrote the bible is quilty of plagiarism.
wkmac
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It may seem to be that simple but in reality it is a bit more complex. Much, and I mean much more could be said here but instead of plagiarism, think syncretism.
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