By The Book
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To answer your first question on the relevancy of article 15 sec 1. It would be relevant if you weren't required to work the holiday.
Saturday or Sunday hmm
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Bubblehead
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Bubblehead
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No, the company needs to keep up and the IBT needs to make sure we get a proportionate share of any gains that "the game" is obviously yielding.
This is done in 5 year intervals and we are on the front side of a new concessionary agreement that is already being "re-interpreted" to the favor of the company.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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The company honored the contract by paying us for Black Friday. They also followed the alternate work schedule agreed to by the union.
Irishman Collins
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One more time, real slow, shall........not.........be..........required...........to........work..............
Bubblehead
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Maybe in Upstate New York?
Not in the Central Region.
Irishman Collins
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This is simple folks, shall not be required. There are no other meanings to the definitive word, shall.
BigUnionGuy
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All I can say to that is.... wow.
What language is being "re-interpreted" ?
It means the same thing, it has for 40 years.
You are taking a "literal" view.... of a part of a sentence.
And then, not viewing it in the context of the entire article.
People, that take that kind of narrow minded view to contractual language show
what little experience they have. That's not a put-down or insult. It's just fact.
It usually takes the average person elected in to Local office 3 years, to learn the job.
When you are exposed to other Unionized companies and their contracts, and are involved
with re-negotiation's (with your Local's attorney).... you gain a broader breadth of knowledge.
You don't get stuck in a UPS mentality.
-Bug-
Bubblehead
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What is "except as otherwise provided" in reference to?
When is "no seniority employee shall be required" relevant?
You continue to talk in circles without answering these questions.
Help a dumb truck driver out.
Bubblehead
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When I am delivering packages on Christmas morning some year....I will be saying more than wow.
BigUnionGuy
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What does your Local leadership say ?
Dave and Sam, were never one's to back down from a fight.
I've never thought you were a "dumb truck driver". Quite the contrary.
Maybe a little to smart.... for your own good.
And the people, that never voted on their own contract.... might think that too.
-Bug-
Bubblehead
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I'm asking you....again....again....and again.
Bubblehead
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I've never thought you were a "dumb truck driver". Quite the contrary.
Maybe a little too smart.... for your own good.
-Bug-
Answer my questions and humble me?
I'm trying to understand.
BigUnionGuy
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Did you want to pay your monthly dues, directly to me ?
Cash, check, or paypal will work. But, you incur the associated fees.
-Bug-
And thats funny
Irishman Collins
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Lol, I think it takes about three years of realizing that the current I.B.T. administration leaves you with no options but to realize that you either except the way things are and "get with the program" or continue to get bad decisions from the panels. I believe that free thinking and different opinions lead to a better Union but obviously my opinion has fell on deaf ears because the membership continues to vote for our current administration. Although, I do believe the tide is turning as we continue to watch things our great Union leaders of the past negotiated go by the wayside and not to mention our rights as Union members to have fair elections also go by the wayside. It is time to realize that change is the only thing we have left before our benefits are reduced to what ever U.P.S. deems necessary because we certainly can't depend on our current leaders to stand up and fight for what's right for its members and working men and women all over this country.
BigUnionGuy
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Bubblehead
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That's what I thought, you've got nothing.
Irishman Collins
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Bubblehead isn't it apparent that they can't answer your questions because they know that you are right? It's simple, when you are being paid to preach someone else's sermon when it comes to expressing your own thoughts, you are stifled by the old mighty dollar and the threat of losing your political power and position.
BigUnionGuy
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Um, No.
It's "self evident" that the companies opinion of the membership is....
If they cared, they would vote.
-Bug-
upschuck
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I am not saying it is right, but....
Probably refers to the air articles that only gives straight time to air drivers.
With the other language later on in that article that was put in after this initial language put in, I would say(don't know legally for sure) the later language would supersede the original language. That, along with the language that says UPS can make operational changes to keep up with the competition, makes it 2-1 in favor of the companies decision. At best, it is ambiguous, and can be interpreted either way.
Probably refers to the air articles that only gives straight time to air drivers.
With the other language later on in that article that was put in after this initial language put in, I would say(don't know legally for sure) the later language would supersede the original language. That, along with the language that says UPS can make operational changes to keep up with the competition, makes it 2-1 in favor of the companies decision. At best, it is ambiguous, and can be interpreted either way.
