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Thebrownblob
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I’m honestly beginning to understand more who you really are. You care vary little for labor. Corporations and globalism is your main concern.
“Beginning with NAFTA, trade agreements have incorporated rules and restrictions designed to limit the way citizens can organize their economies. These sweeping trade rules have received only superficial debate under Fast Track. As a result, NAFTA and other similar trade deals have fueled the U.S. trade deficit, contributed to outsourcing and job loss, fostered income inequality, and suppressed wages while weakening the U.S. economy and our security.
NAFTA’s rules have not benefitted working people. It is an inescapable fact that millions of workers across economic sectors regard NAFTA as a failure. They have been left behind and have not shared in the gains from globalization. Across the country, workers and communities have lost confidence in the way the United States manages globalization.
By design, the original NAFTA distorted power relationships in favor of global employers over workers, weakening worker bargaining power and encouraging de-industrialization of our economy. Thus, we welcome renegotiation. Unfortunately, we have been presented with an unfinished text to review. In some places, text is still in draft form, in other places, important terms remain bracketed (unresolved) and in some cases, including with respect to the government procurement schedules, there is no text to review.”
Report on the Impacts of the Renegotiated North American Free Trade Agreement | AFL-CIO
Submitted by the Labor Advisory Committee on Trade Negotiations and Trade Policy, September 27, 2018.
Next Day Err
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For Americans as a whole free trade has been beneficial to our standard of living.
Our pension funds and retirement plans wouldn’t be nearly as strong, for example. Cost of living would’ve been higher for generations.
Competitive advantage allows us to specialize in high tech manufacturing and service jobs. The whole economic landscape would’ve been different and diminished had we not had free trade policies.
Protectionism is lame and counterproductive when using a broad brush like Vance and Trump want to try. It’s gonna hurt us.
Thebrownblob
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That is a complete and utter fabrication. You have sold yourself and your fellow American out to globalism and eventually we will read the benefits of people believe the same way you do.
The beginning of globalism and supposed free trade was the end of the American dream. You can see the fruits of that beginning now.
Next Day Err
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The labor union line on NAFTA is just wrong. They’re ignoring the huge benefits of more efficient trade and only pointing out the painful aspects.
I studied economics in school.
I studied economics in school.
Next Day Err
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Bernie Sanders and J.D. Vance are just wrong about free trade being bad for the majority of Americans.
Thebrownblob
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Yeah, working great
those damn union guys back in the 90s were actually 100% right. I think you would’ve been much better with the tie on you seem to fall for propaganda pretty easily. Even as you watch Union jobs disappear. As long as you still have your job, everything is fine, right?
Next Day Err
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I’m a capitalist, brother. Sorry. I believe in the free flow of capital. I also believe in the free flow of labor which is why I don’t demonize poor people trying to get here to work their butts off to survive and get a start.Yeah, working great
I actually love living in a capitalist country. But I’m called a socialist in this forum.
Thebrownblob
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“Unions like the UAW, like the steelworkers, like the Teamsters, were really undermined in our collective bargaining power by NAFTA," he says. "Because now, we go in and we bargain with [car] parts supplier companies and they say, 'Well, we can go to Mexico and make this cheaper.' "
“We are not growing good, middle-class jobs in America," he says. "I'd like to know, where are the jobs? What are they talking about, Wal-Mart? They're talking about all these temporary, part-time jobs?"
The UAW is only about one-half the size it was two decades ago. Again, that can't all be attributed to NAFTA. General Motors and Chrysler both went through bankruptcy and survived, but are now much smaller. And the share of the car and truck market that U.S. car companies command is down, as well.”
In Mexico, the auto industry has boomed.”
“We are not growing good, middle-class jobs in America," he says. "I'd like to know, where are the jobs? What are they talking about, Wal-Mart? They're talking about all these temporary, part-time jobs?"
The UAW is only about one-half the size it was two decades ago. Again, that can't all be attributed to NAFTA. General Motors and Chrysler both went through bankruptcy and survived, but are now much smaller. And the share of the car and truck market that U.S. car companies command is down, as well.”
In Mexico, the auto industry has boomed.”
Thebrownblob
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I’ve never called you a socialist. I’ve called you a corporatist . You love war and you have no problem watching corporations destroy the American dream with the help of governmentI’m a capitalist, brother. Sorry. I believe in the free flow of capital. I also believe in the free flow of labor which is why I don’t demonize poor people trying to get here to work their butts off to survive and get a start.
I actually love living in a capitalist country. But I’m called a socialist in this forum.
Next Day Err
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Right. Competitive advantage. We don’t have it in this particular sector. We have it in other major sectors. It’s painful but true. But we’re better off when we don’t go around using taxpayer funds to prop up every industry in the country.
Thebrownblob
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Who is this we?
Next Day Err
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I’ve been an investor in capitalist country’s corporations for 10 years and I’m pretty happy with cutthroat capitalism. It’s made me a lot of money. Growth flows to competitive companies and money flows to owners. Of which I am to a small degree. An owner.
Next Day Err
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Can’t believe I’m defending free market capitalism in this forum lol
Thebrownblob
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That’s because you’re very confused about your beliefs. You are protected by a Union, who thankfully has not been able to be outsourced as of yet. They’re working on it don’t worry. Soon you’ll get to see what you actually “own”.
Next Day Err
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How are they going to outsource a service job like package delivery? Automation?
Trump has been anti union for his whole life. He fakes being pro union. Vance talks a big game but doesn’t support the PRO Act. They’re lying to you.
Appvol
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I’m guessing you like the G7 stuff and Schwab.
Thebrownblob
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How are they lying to me? What do you know about me? Do you suppose I trust JD Vance? The Democrat party has not been friendly to us in regards to free trade either. Please don’t assume anyone is lying to me and I believe them., whether or not some of these people vote for the pro act will be Sean ‘s Cross to Bear. I believe he’s doing what he thinks is necessary. Hopefully it works.
Next Day Err
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I like capitalism coupled with a strong rule of law that protects consumers, workers and the environment. Tough to pull off… we are not perfect at it. But it’s better than a closed economy. You know what closed economies look like? North Korea.
Next Day Err
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Vance is lying to me, too. I didn’t say you believed him. But he’s lying his ass off.
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