Sean O’Brien

[Appvol]

I like capitalism coupled with a strong rule of law that protects consumers, workers and the environment. Tough to pull off… we are not perfect at it. But it’s better than a closed economy. You know what closed economies look like? North Korea.

Lol you said protect the environment when these Elitist show up in their private jets. The fact you think the G7 stuff is good says everything.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Vance is lying to me, too. I didn’t say you believed him. But he’s lying his ass off.

And so has every politician in the last 30 years. The politicians. have thrown the scraps to us. That is why we are almost nonexistent. Almost powerless. Democrats will have their convention shortly and they will promise things they will also not do. Or only halfway do.

Labor, especially private labor organizations, have to capitalize now or face extinction. Peoples interest has never been higher in a generation to join. They just don’t understand how or why. That would be a tragedy for working people. You really need to look at the difference in our own industry between FedEx and UPS.

 

[Next Day Err]

Labor, especially private labor organizations, have to capitalize now or face extinction.

Let’s tell Vance that. Maybe he’ll support the pro-labor PRO Act with Democrats, then. (HAHAHA)

 

[Thebrownblob]

Let’s tell Vance that. Maybe he’ll support the pro-labor PRO Act with Democrats, then. (HAHAHA)

Ha ha, let’s pretend free trade has been great for the economy and working people!

“In 2011, the IBEW sent another letter to Congress opposing a proposed trade agreement between the U.S. and South Korea. The letter anticipated the loss of approximately 159,000 U.S. jobs during the first seven years of implementation. The IBEW also criticized the lack of language to stop South Korea from manipulating the price of its currency. The agreement passed Congress in 2012.

As with the Colombian agreement, the union’s concerns have been realized. The U.S. trade deficit with South Korea reached a historic high of $21 billion in 2013, an increase of more than $7 billion from 2011. The Economic Policy Institute estimates that 40,000 U.S. jobs, many in manufacturing, have been lost to South Korea in the first year of the agreement.”

Concerns Vindicated on “Free” Trade Agreements

Looks like Vance is off the hook. He’s going to be a vice president not a senator. Sean’s got about four or five other Republicans that promised they would support it I guess we’ll see won’t we?

We’ve already seen that idea that trade has been great an absolute lie.

 

[Next Day Err]

Ha ha, let’s pretend free trade has been great for the economy and working people!

“In 2011, the IBEW sent another letter to Congress opposing a proposed trade agreement between the U.S. and South Korea. The letter anticipated the loss of approximately 159,000 U.S. jobs during the first seven years of implementation. The IBEW also criticized the lack of language to stop South Korea from manipulating the price of its currency. The agreement passed Congress in 2012.

As with the Colombian agreement, the union’s concerns have been realized. The U.S. trade deficit with South Korea reached a historic high of $21 billion in 2013, an increase of more than $7 billion from 2011. The Economic Policy Institute estimates that 40,000 U.S. jobs, many in manufacturing, have been lost to South Korea in the first year of the agreement.”

Concerns Vindicated on “Free” Trade Agreements

That’s only one angle. Free trade has been a net positive for society. Plenty of research backs this up. Of course some people were hurt. But a lot more people would’ve been hurt without free trade economic policies. It’s a hard truth.

 

[Thebrownblob]

That’s only one angle. Free trade has been a net positive for society. Plenty of research backs this up. Of course some people were hurt. But a lot more people would’ve been hurt without free trade economic policies. It’s a hard truth.

Because you are globalist not an American. Society is a whole has been harmed greatly. You can see it in every city as we crumble. And will continue.

Why trade deals hurt Americans

John Komlos argues that trade agreements like the Trans-Pacific Partnership will only exacerbate our deficit and further inequality in the United States. What we need, he argues, is not only fair trade, but balanced trade.

www.pbs.org

 

[Next Day Err]

Because you are globalist not an American. Society is a whole has been harmed greatly. You can see it in every city as we crumble. And will continue.

Why trade deals hurt Americans

John Komlos argues that trade agreements like the Trans-Pacific Partnership will only exacerbate our deficit and further inequality in the United States. What we need, he argues, is not only fair trade, but balanced trade.

www.pbs.org

I’m an American, pal. Born and raised here. I cry during the National Anthem at baseball games. Please don’t try to win this debate by calling me unAmerican.

 

[Next Day Err]

China is calling more shots in the Asia Pacific area because we failed to take the lead there on trade deals. Luckily Biden is shoring up Australia with a closer partnership vis a vis military hardware, etc.

The natural outcome of America pulling back from global trade is a rival like China filling the vacuum.

 

[Thebrownblob]

I’m an American, pal. Born and raised here. I cry during the National Anthem at baseball games. Please don’t try to win this debate by calling me unAmerican.

You should cry, the policies and economic decisions that you champion has done nothing but destroy the opportunities for the people in this country. God bless America

 

[Wally]

Sorry, free trade has been a net benefit to the well-being of Americans as a whole. Some workers were left behind, sadly.

If so fair trade will really help.

 

[Next Day Err]

If so fair trade will really help.

Define “fair trade”.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Define “fair trade”.

I’m sure he’s talking about tariffs

 

[textat3]

I’m a capitalist, brother. Sorry. I believe in the free flow of capital. I also believe in the free flow of labor which is why I don’t demonize poor people trying to get here to work their butts off to survive and get a start.

I actually love living in a capitalist country. But I’m called a socialist in this forum.

Are the poor people coming here to work their butts off? Are the poor people coming here legally? Are the poor people coming here to escape Murders they carried out in their homeland (Rachel Morin)? Are the poor people coming here because of they continue their way of life in their homeland they will end up in prison (El Salvado)? Are the poor people coming here to sell drugs and kill our youth? Are the poor people coming here to live off the government? Why are the poor people allowed to come here in the first place?

 

[Box Ox]

I also believe in the free flow of labor which is why I don’t demonize poor people trying to get here to work their butts off to survive and get a start.

Politico, late 2016:

Yes, Immigration Hurts American Workers - POLITICO Magazine

"anyone who tells you that immigration doesn’t have any negative effects doesn’t understand how it really works. When the supply of workers goes up, the price that firms have to pay to hire workers goes down. Wage trends over the past half-century suggest that a 10 percent increase in the number of workers with a particular set of skills probably lowers the wage of that group by at least 3 percent. Even after the economy has fully adjusted, those skill groups that received the most immigrants will still offer lower pay relative to those that received fewer immigrants."

 

[Next Day Err]

Politico, late 2016:

Yes, Immigration Hurts American Workers - POLITICO Magazine

"anyone who tells you that immigration doesn’t have any negative effects doesn’t understand how it really works. When the supply of workers goes up, the price that firms have to pay to hire workers goes down. Wage trends over the past half-century suggest that a 10 percent increase in the number of workers with a particular set of skills probably lowers the wage of that group by at least 3 percent. Even after the economy has fully adjusted, those skill groups that received the most immigrants will still offer lower pay relative to those that received fewer immigrants."

Good, I like cheaper fruits and vegetables.

 

[Box Ox]

Politico, late 2016:

Yes, Immigration Hurts American Workers - POLITICO Magazine

"anyone who tells you that immigration doesn’t have any negative effects doesn’t understand how it really works. When the supply of workers goes up, the price that firms have to pay to hire workers goes down. Wage trends over the past half-century suggest that a 10 percent increase in the number of workers with a particular set of skills probably lowers the wage of that group by at least 3 percent. Even after the economy has fully adjusted, those skill groups that received the most immigrants will still offer lower pay relative to those that received fewer immigrants."

Good, I like cheaper fruits and vegetables.

Good to see you buying into the idea that companies are passing on the savings to the consumer when they pay less for their labor. Let that thought comfort you as immigrants continue to erode the wages of working people.

 

[Next Day Err]

Good to see you buying into the idea that companies are passing on the savings to the consumer when they pay less for their labor. Let that thought comfort you as immigrants continue to erode the wages of working people.

Eh. Let’s kick out of the immigrant labor and see how that affects prices.

People are going to freak OUT when prices double.

 

[Wally]

Eh. Let’s kick out of the immigrant labor and see how that affects prices.

People are going to freak OUT when prices double.

Biden's been increasing prices for over 3 years now. Lot's of folk will still vote for him.