Stealing Time??
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Heres a hint- hourly always knows more that you give them credit for.
UnconTROLLed
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Look, you don't know my situation personally. I was just giving an example where it is OK to get paid for time you do not work. I am guaranteed 8 hours of pay whether I work it or not. WHen there is 4 peoples worth of work left and it's almost time to go home, I go home and others stay. That is not my problem if they want to cut me.
My point was, it is impossible to know the exact story as the thread author never revealed it (at the time anyway, I think we dug deeper since)
brownIEman
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As to this point - in a word, no. GTS keeps a record of EVERY change made to an employees timecard, and what user ID was signed in when the change was made. EVERY change. There is a simple report any GTS user can pull up to see every change made to a specific timecard. If you clock in on the PTM, and then clock out, these times will show as PTM uploads to GTS. If the sup then manually changes your punch in time and punch out time, these changes are recorded on the report with who made them and what time. As an example, I have used this report to verify to an employee that I did indeed as I promised, ad 10 minutes onto his time when I allowed him to go home early instead of wait for his last break and then punch out. I pulled the report that clearly showed his PTM punchout time, and then where my user ID had manually changed his punch out time to 10 minutes later.
If you are being cheated, go to management with your steward, and ask to see the record of changes to you GTS timecards. If they don't know how, ask them to find out. If everything you have been posting is true, your lazy coworkers have been as suggested by others, working as directed (if in a less than ethical way) and will likely get a slap on the wrist. The sup who has been stealing time from you will be giving up his management seat, just at a time when we need more of them freed up, so the timing could not be better.
dilligaf
IN VINO VERITAS
WOW You didn't even get a yawn.OK, I'll bite, you're a fool.
Your right!!
It has never been, nor will ever be an issue for you.
Because you won't know, nor will you be able to show a discrepancy.
Why do you think that "most of your co-workers" keep a record?
Could it be because it has been for many, an issue in the past?
I'm thinking from your earlier posts in this thread that you would be afraid to say anything about it to management any way.
It would put a target on your back for retaliation.
This forum seems to be the only place that you have any stones.
iowa boy
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As to this point - in a word, no. GTS keeps a record of EVERY change made to an employees timecard, and what user ID was signed in when the change was made. EVERY change. There is a simple report any GTS user can pull up to see every change made to a specific timecard. If you clock in on the PTM, and then clock out, these times will show as PTM uploads to GTS. If the sup then manually changes your punch in time and punch out time, these changes are recorded on the report with who made them and what time. As an example, I have used this report to verify to an employee that I did indeed as I promised, ad 10 minutes onto his time when I allowed him to go home early instead of wait for his last break and then punch out. I pulled the report that clearly showed his PTM punchout time, and then where my user ID had manually changed his punch out time to 10 minutes later.
If you are being cheated, go to management with your steward, and ask to see the record of changes to you GTS timecards. If they don't know how, ask them to find out. If everything you have been posting is true, your lazy coworkers have been as suggested by others, working as directed (if in a less than ethical way) and will likely get a slap on the wrist. The sup who has been stealing time from you will be giving up his management seat, just at a time when we need more of them freed up, so the timing could not be better.
IEman,
I know what you are saying is true as I have had to authorize changes that needed to be made to my timecard in GTS. (We have a book with our names on a sheet of paper to initial if our times are wrong or if we forget to code out for a different job and the sups have to change it.)
But what happens if the employee "forgets" to punch out, isn't the supervisor or OMS responsible to make sure payroll is done before they leave? This is what our sups and OMS are told at my center. If someone doesn't punch out here, they are punched out by the sup or OMS in the system and the employee doesn't have to okay it.
If this is happening at the OP's location and the employees "forget to punch out", it would seem to me that by manually punching them out on the computer would be a nice cover story for the supervisor.
Your thoughts on this would be interesting to read.
iowa boy
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SouthCal,
I gotta tell ya, its not that hard to grab screenshots of individual timecards after the employee punches out. I have been seen sups and OMS leave the timecard screen up and they walk away from the computer. I have had the opportunity on more that a handful of occasions in the last six months to sit at the computer and look at my timecard for the day or week or even the last month. I have never actually looked at time cards for myself or others but, when the screen is up and all you have to do is click on a different day of the week and then click on whatever employee you want to view, its not that hard to grab a screenshot in under 30 seconds if you really wanted to.
trplnkl
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Yawn=whatever....or is it the other way around? whateveryawnWOW You didn't even get a yawn.
brownIEman
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If you forget to punch out, you can, will, and should be punched out manually by a management person. But if the OP is forgetting to punch out every day, he really has no leg to stand onto say that the sups in the center are changing his punch out time to shave time off him.
A PTM timecard can only punched out once. So, if the OP punches out at say, 9:20AM everyday, that card is right then uploaded to GTS. If the sup comes in later and changes the punch out time on the card in GTS to say, 9:00, that is recorded in the system and there is nothing the sup can do about it.
One other thing, and I know this was brought up by someone earlier, if this sup is giving 2 employees 5 hours or so every day for a shift that lasts 3.5 hours, this is going to stick out like a sore thumb. You could get away with it for a while, but eventually someone is going to start asking questions that this guy is not going to have any good answers for.
The OP could get with a stewart and file a grievance for extra work being given out of seniority order, which would obligate the company to print hours worked reports, which would sorta force the issue if no one has noticed it yet.
Sorry to inform you but I own stock in this company and if people are stealing company time IT IS my business! We have had mgt and hourly fired for this in the last year! I am not a RAT but I do not agree with gaming the system for anyone! All hourly is equal, all mgt is equal - that is why we have a contract! Our center is on watch for abusing 1 hour lunch policy - a clear violation of contract and the law! We are now the model center for our district! No more claiming 10 min lunch when you clearly did not.
I don't know, im a part time sup on the preload and I don't know how this is possible. Corporate actaully is tracking GTS these days and looking for odd things. Not to mention we are given a plan for hours every day and I can't imagine these guys are blowing there plan by that much every day. I mean, the full timer would have to be out of it not to notice someone working 5 hours at all, never mind on a sort span of like 3.5. Anyone working over 4 hours in our building has to be accounted for right now. This might have been possible years ago when the volume was high and no one paid much attention.
Try late 60+ times they @#$%^ me for
Nobody here cares. Go find a steward or call your BA to try to settle your complaint.
UnionStrong
Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
I care.
NAHimGOOD
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Gotta love him..what a prick-God bless america
I hope soAs to this point - in a word, no. GTS keeps a record of EVERY change made to an employees timecard, and what user ID was signed in when the change was made. EVERY change. There is a simple report any GTS user can pull up to see every change made to a specific timecard. If you clock in on the PTM, and then clock out, these times will show as PTM uploads to GTS. If the sup then manually changes your punch in time and punch out time, these changes are recorded on the report with who made them and what time. As an example, I have used this report to verify to an employee that I did indeed as I promised, ad 10 minutes onto his time when I allowed him to go home early instead of wait for his last break and then punch out. I pulled the report that clearly showed his PTM punchout time, and then where my user ID had manually changed his punch out time to 10 minutes later.
If you are being cheated, go to management with your steward, and ask to see the record of changes to you GTS timecards. If they don't know how, ask them to find out. If everything you have been posting is true, your lazy coworkers have been as suggested by others, working as directed (if in a less than ethical way) and will likely get a slap on the wrist. The sup who has been stealing time from you will be giving up his management seat, just at a time when we need more of them freed up, so the timing could not be better.
Integrity
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I care too.
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