Storming the Capitol

[Fred's Myth]

McConnell the highest ranking GOP official made it perfectly clear that the House managers unquestionably proved their case but due to a jurisdiction technicality had to let him go. The only problem with that is that he CREATED the technicality by refusing to accept the articles of impeachment until AFTER the inauguration .
If you want to go chasing after Dear leader now that he's out of office be my guest. As McConnell plainly stated Dear Leader may be out of office but he's not out of the woods. Not by a long shot but at the same time he didn't lose. What will be lost is the many years of freedom his supporters might lose in prison while he's golfing and drinking Coke's at Mari Logo .

Heartfelt sympathies for chasing your rabbit for going on 5 years now, and coming up with not even a tuft of fur in your mouth, you poor hound dogs!

 

[It will be fine]

Heartfelt sympathies for chasing your rabbit for going on 5 years now, and coming up with not even a tuft of fur in your mouth, you poor hound dogs!

He’s a one term loser.

 

[Fred's Myth]

He’s a one term loser.

Find comfort and solace wherever you can, grasshopper.

 

[bacha29]

Heartfelt sympathies for chasing your rabbit for going on 5 years now, and coming up with not even a tuft of fur in your mouth, you poor hound dogs!

The New York dogs and the Georgia dogs are still out in the field and the 14th amendment dog is growling in it's pen . Oh and by the way, Deutsche Bank wants it's millions paid back with interest on time and has expressed it's willingness to talk to bank regulators.
Trump as McConnell clearly stated is absolved of nothing and can still be prosecuted under both civil and criminal statutes.

 

[Macbrother]

One of those you posted actually undermines your whole argument. Kelly v. Pennsylvania. The laches doctrine is a legal cop out. If challenges to the law were made before damages, it would have been dismissed for no standing. Once the damage is done, it's too late, sorry, can't unboil the egg. Even if it were too late to allow the judge to make any decisions that would affect the outcome of this election (completely absurd), why not hear it and rule on the merits for the future?

Why don't you ask the Supreme Court? They ruled in Pennsylvania's favor - with no dissents.

In Trump v Boockvar the court decided not rejecting ballots that didn't match signature files was ok. Boy, if Illinois felt the same way, Obama would never have been senator or president. What's the reasoning for not allowing signature challenges in a Presidential election? That sounds completely up and up.

Signature verification was a fraction of the plaintiff's claims. Trump v Boockvar was loaded with vague, speculative nonsense with (as was usual) zero evidence to back it up. The judge's ruling on signature verification specifically was well addressed.

You picked your 4 strongest cases to support your parroting leftist media lies, one is the perfect example of my argument, another you would scream about the decision if it was your guy. I'll tell you what, I'll just give you the other two so you can feel ok about the time and effort you put in coming up with those.

No, I picked 4 cases, at random, from a 5 minute google search.

Now - why don't you put forward some court cases where fraud and illegality are affirmed by a judge? Because, you, as a legal scholar should know - that's where it matters. It's very easy for a loser to claim fraud. Any partisan hack with a microphone can claim fraud. The hard part, of course, is proving it in a court of law. Show me where you did?

 

[bacha29]

Find comfort and solace wherever you can, grasshopper.

Especially when we are being comforted and consoled by the facts.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Trump as McConnell clearly stated is absolved of nothing and can still be prosecuted under both civil and criminal statutes.

LMFAO
Would have already happened if you radicals had anything on him. Give it up lady.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Why don't you ask the Supreme Court? They ruled in Pennsylvania's favor - with no dissents.


Signature verification was a fraction of the plaintiff's claims. Trump v Boockvar was loaded with vague, speculative nonsense with (as was usual) zero evidence to back it up. The judge's ruling on signature verification specifically was well addressed.


No, I picked 4 cases, at random, from a 5 minute google search.

Now - why don't you put forward some court cases where fraud and illegality are affirmed by a judge? Because, you, as a legal scholar should know - that's where it matters. It's very easy for a loser to claim fraud. Any partisan hack with a microphone can claim fraud. The hard part, of course, is proving it in a court of law. Show me where you did?

Unfortunately for you, I don't accept your premise that fraud has to be proven in court to have taken place. Of course that's the only way anything would officially be done about it. You proved my claim that judges used questionable, more like illegitimate, legal doctrines to avoid hearing cases. I posted a confession concerning a conspiracy to prevent Trump from challenging the election. You don't have to do that unless you have something to hide.

So, yes, fraud is hard to prove, it's even harder when you have a shadow cabal working to prevent transparency by blocking poll watchers, and circumventing state legiatures to change election laws to allow rules that make fraud easier to commit and harder to prove. You're ok with all that, because you feel any action was justified just to get Trump out of office. I don't particularly care about Trump, but I'm not blinded by the hateful lying rhetoric of the left wing media and the establishment. I'm on the side of what's right and fair, and I agree, my side lost, but don't get used to that.

 

[It will be fine]

Unfortunately for you, I don't accept your premise that fraud has to be proven in court to have taken place. Of course that's the only way anything would officially be done about it. You proved my claim that judges used questionable, more like illegitimate, legal doctrines to avoid hearing cases. I posted a confession concerning a conspiracy to prevent Trump from challenging the election. You don't have to do that unless you have something to hide.

So, yes, fraud is hard to prove, it's even harder when you have a shadow cabal working to prevent transparency by blocking poll watchers, and circumventing state legiatures to change election laws to allow rules that make fraud easier to commit and harder to prove. You're ok with all that, because you feel any action was justified just to get Trump out of office. I don't particularly care about Trump, but I'm not blinded by the hateful lying rhetoric of the left wing media and the establishment. I'm on the side of what's right and fair, and I agree, my side lost, but don't get used to that.

Nothing gets people more likely to believe your point than blaming all the wrongs on a shadow cabal and the lying evil left wing media. Lol. I love how every right wing talking point is an old anti-Semitic trope dusted off and reworded for the modern age.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Nothing gets people more likely to believe your point than blaming all the wrongs on a shadow cabal and the lying evil left wing media. Lol. I love how every right wing talking point is an old anti-Semitic trope dusted off and reworded for the modern age.

I'm not blaming a shadow cabal. It's their words, not mine, they're so proud of their illegal activity they aren't even hiding it anymore. Nothing gets people more likely to believe your point than by accusing everyone you disagree with of being racist. Nice try, except not really.

 

[It will be fine]

I'm not blaming a shadow cabal. It's their words, not mine, they're so proud of their illegal activity they aren't even hiding it anymore. Nothing gets people more likely to believe your point than by accusing everyone you disagree with of being racist. Nice try, except not really.

I said your arguments are the same that anti-semites have used for centuries. You’ve just reworded them. Your stuff is basically The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. A secret cabal of evil leaders shaping the world from the shadows. Be scared of the elites that are using mind control to warp the populace. It’s all the same nonsense.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

I said your arguments are the same that anti-semites have used for centuries. You’ve just reworded them. Your stuff is basically The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. A secret cabal of evil leaders shaping the world from the shadows. Be scared of the elites that are using mind control to warp the populace. It’s all the same nonsense.

That's not my argument, Molly Ball used those words. Keep trying to straw man me though. Elites see it as their duty to steer humanity like cattle. That's undeniable, not nonsense. You just like what they are doing so you are ok with it, and profane those who tell the truth so as to draw attention away from the man behind the curtain.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

I said your arguments are the same that anti-semites have used for centuries. You’ve just reworded them. Your stuff is basically The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. A secret cabal of evil leaders shaping the world from the shadows. Be scared of the elites that are using mind control to warp the populace. It’s all the same nonsense.

Yes because we all know it's the Democrats who stand up for Israel. SMH, do you even believe the garbage you post?

 

[BrownFlush]

I said your arguments are the same that anti-semites have used for centuries. You’ve just reworded them. Your stuff is basically The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. A secret cabal of evil leaders shaping the world from the shadows. Be scared of the elites that are using mind control to warp the populace. It’s all the same nonsense.

You need to back off some on sticking your tongue in Buddha's ear.

 

[tonyexpress]

You would think that the democrats would be happy. Fearless, steady, and competent Joe Biden has won the presidency, they have the congress, and the senate.... Yet, they are still not happy, Why?

 

[zubenelgenubi]

You would think that the democrats would be happy. Fearless, steady, and competent Joe Biden has won the presidency, they have the congress, and the senate.... Yet, they are still not happy, Why?

Certainly not acting like people who won fair and square. More like people who know they've done something wrong, and are trying to curtail any retribution by attacking those who might reveal their criminal actions and hold them accountable.

 

[Box Ox]

Certainly not acting like people who won fair and square. More like people who know they've done something wrong, and are trying to curtail any retribution by attacking those who might reveal their criminal actions and hold them accountable.

 

[tonyexpress]

Oh then, wise Box Ox... Tell us why you're still not a happy camper? You've basically won all that you need for moving forward, what gives?

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Oh then, wise Box Ox... Tell us why you're still not a happy camper? You've basically won all that you need for moving forward, what gives?

He's sad that he sold his country down the river because orange man bad. Buyer's remorse.

 

[Box Ox]

Oh then, wise Box Ox... Tell us why you're still not a happy camper? You've basically won all that you need for moving forward, what gives?

I am a happy camper. The leader of Senate Republicans said Trump was indeed responsible for what happened and that it was only a technicality regarding the timing of the Senate trial that saved Trump from conviction.

Trump will inevitably face civil and/or criminal consequences for what he did. Mitch seems to think so too. Excerpts from his Senate floor speech today are below.

McConnell on Impeachment: “Disgraceful Dereliction” Cannot Lead Senate to “Defy Our Own Constitutional Guardrails” | Republican Leader

WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) delivered the following remarks today on the Senate floor regarding the impeachment trial:

“January 6th was a disgrace.

“American citizens attacked their own government. They used terrorism to try to stop a specific piece of democratic business they did not like.

“Fellow Americans beat and bloodied our own police. They stormed the Senate floor. They tried to hunt down the Speaker of the House. They built a gallows and chanted about murdering the Vice President.

“They did this because they had been fed wild falsehoods by the most powerful man on Earth — because he was angry he’d lost an election.

“Former President Trump’s actions preceding the riot were a disgraceful dereliction of duty.

“The House accused the former President of, quote, ‘incitement.’ That is a specific term from the criminal law.

“Let me put that to the side for one moment and reiterate something I said weeks ago: There is no question that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of that day.

“The people who stormed this building believed they were acting on the wishes and instructions of their President.


“And their having that belief was a foreseeable consequence of the growing crescendo of false statements, conspiracy theories, and reckless hyperbole which the defeated President kept shouting into the largest megaphone on planet Earth.

“The issue is not only the President’s intemperate language on January 6th.

“It is not just his endorsement of remarks in which an associate urged ‘trial by combat.’

“It was also the entire manufactured atmosphere of looming catastrophe; the increasingly wild myths about a reverse landslide election that was being stolen in some secret coup by our now-President.

“I defended the President’s right to bring any complaints to our legal system. The legal system spoke. The Electoral College spoke. As I stood up and said clearly at the time, the election was settled.

“But that reality just opened a new chapter of even wilder and more unfounded claims.

“The leader of the free world cannot spend weeks thundering that shadowy forces are stealing our country and then feign surprise when people believe him and do reckless things.

“Sadly, many politicians sometimes make overheated comments or use metaphors that unhinged listeners might take literally.

“This was different.

“This was an intensifying crescendo of conspiracy theories, orchestrated by an outgoing president who seemed determined to either overturn the voters’ decision or else torch our institutions on the way out.

“The unconscionable behavior did not end when the violence began.

“Whatever our ex-President claims he thought might happen that day… whatever reaction he says he meant to produce… by that afternoon, he was watching the same live television as the rest of the world.

“A mob was assaulting the Capitol in his name. These criminals were carrying his banners, hanging his flags, and screaming their loyalty to him.

“It was obvious that only President Trump could end this.

“Former aides publicly begged him to do so. Loyal allies frantically called the Administration.

“But the President did not act swiftly. He did not do his job. He didn’t take steps so federal law could be faithfully executed, and order restored.

“Instead, according to public reports, he watched television happily as the chaos unfolded. He kept pressing his scheme to overturn the election!

“Even after it was clear to any reasonable observer that Vice President Pence was in danger… even as the mob carrying Trump banners was beating cops and breaching perimeters… the President sent a further tweet attacking his Vice President.

“Predictably and foreseeably under the circumstances, members of the mob seemed to interpret this as further inspiration to lawlessness and violence.

“Later, even when the President did halfheartedly begin calling for peace, he did not call right away for the riot to end. He did not tell the mob to depart until even later.

“And even then, with police officers bleeding and broken glass covering Capitol floors, he kept repeating election lies and praising the criminals.

“In recent weeks, our ex-President’s associates have tried to use the 74 million Americans who voted to re-elect him as a kind of human shield against criticism.

“Anyone who decries his awful behavior is accused of insulting millions of voters.

“That is an absurd deflection.

“74 million Americans did not invade the Capitol. Several hundred rioters did.

“And 74 million Americans did not engineer the campaign of disinformation and rage that provoked it.

“One person did.”

“We have a criminal justice system in this country. We have civil litigation. And former Presidents are not immune from being held accountable by either one.”