Strike in Chicago?

[dillweed]

"odd" is probably the nicest thing you could have said about it. btw, I miss the eyeball.

 

[cachsux]

This wonderful contract they just shoved up our ass without giving us all of the details (did ANYONE here have any idea we weren't getting a COLA raise?)

And now you know what were ready to strike over. To keep from having a crap contract shoved up our ass. Ups pays your salary? Who got it to the rate it is and keeps it from going lower? Ups pays your insurance? Who keeps it form being 50/50 instead of 80/20? Take your raise and buy a clue.

 

[NJ12hrday]

We all have to stand by our Chicago brothers and sisters. The only reason this crap master went through is because of all the right to work states in the south and because the cost of living in the west is so much less. If you lived in Jersey and tried to buy a 3 bedroom house and saw that it is in the 300's if your lucky, then the master wouldn't have gone thru. UPS made big profits last year, bought more companies, sub-contracted out work from UPS freight, and gave big money early retirements to those scab management punks. Everybody got a bonus in Atlanta. What happened to Eskew? Anyway i'll be looking at the return addresses of everything in my truck. Sheet it strike. Union for Life.

 

[bellesotico]

We all have to stand by our Chicago brothers and sisters. The only reason this crap master went through is because of all the right to work states in the south and because the cost of living in the west is so much less. If you lived in Jersey and tried to buy a 3 bedroom house and saw that it is in the 300's if your lucky, then the master wouldn't have gone thru. UPS made big profits last year, bought more companies, sub-contracted out work from UPS freight, and gave big money early retirements to those scab management punks. Everybody got a bonus in Atlanta. What happened to Eskew? Anyway i'll be looking at the return addresses of everything in my truck. Sheet it strike. Union for Life.

It's really nice to see this.

You know..what got the 705 and the 710 in this situation doesn't matter at this point. And personally attacking other Teamsters from both sides of the matter only divides us in a time when we should stand together, regardless of our own beliefs on the subject. No one wants a strike, and probably no one more than our brothers and sisters in Chicago who are living this. But they have enough to deal with in the days ahead. Maybe it's time to put aside personal feelings and just show some support. And if that is just too hard, maybe it's best to not say anything.
I guess..well..I don't know. There are just a lot of pages of brown vs brown and it's pretty disheartening.

Naive probably..but..JMHO.
Go ahead and attack...

 

[tieguy]

I used to live in a neighborhood with a Homeowners Association. When you bought a home in that neighborhood, you had to agree---in writing---to join the association, pay the dues, and follow the rules. Keep the lawn mowed, no junk cars, no allowing Uncle Joe to live in the driveway in a $200 camper, etc. etc. I didnt always like paying the dues and I didnt necessarily agree with all the rules, but it did keep the neighborhood nice and the property values up.
There was a problem involving a guy who was adamant that the rules shouldn't apply to him. According to him, the Homeowners Association wasnt paying one cent of his mortgage, wasnt paying one cent to maintain his home, and wasnt doing a damn thing except pursuing its own interests. He felt that he should have the right to live in and benefit from the nice neighborhood like everyone else, but that he shouldn't have to pay the same dues or follow the same rules. The fact that he chose to buy a house in a neighborhood with rules and dues didnt matter to him... in his mind the rules and dues should only be borne by other people, not him. The Association wound up having to take him to court because he wouldnt tow away the cars and boat in his yard and he wouldnt pay the dues. We won, and he finally sold the house and moved to a neighborhood with rules that were more agreeable to him.

Don't keep us hanging sober tell us the ending of this beautifull story.

This person was not the only one that moved out. Many others also moved out. even you moved out. Houses sat empty. Lawns were overgrown etc as membership in these communities then declined.

Or so it would be if you were referencing union membership which has declined over the years.

 

[tieguy]

So what you are saying is that we at one point were part of the national and we thought we were to good and broke away from it? I call bullshet

705 from my understanding hasnt always settled later and hasnt always done better. But im sure you will post hard facts to prove me wrong or just more divide and conquer hog wash.

One of the more common tactics you display when your badly losing the debate is to complain about divide and conquer tactics.

the fact is local 705 did their own divide and conquer, we are too special to negotiate with the rest of the scum negotiations.

Hoffa the first tried to get them to join the nma in the late sixties and they told him to pound sand.

do the research on your own union.

or better yet go to the company negotiators and negotiate joining the national right now instead of making excuses for being seperate.

ball is in your court big boy.

 

[tieguy]

It's really nice to see this.

You know..what got the 705 and the 710 in this situation doesn't matter at this point. And personally attacking other Teamsters from both sides of the matter only divides us in a time when we should stand together, regardless of our own beliefs on the subject. No one wants a strike, and probably no one more than our brothers and sisters in Chicago who are living this. But they have enough to deal with in the days ahead. Maybe it's time to put aside personal feelings and just show some support. And if that is just too hard, maybe it's best to not say anything.
I guess..well..I don't know. There are just a lot of pages of brown vs brown and it's pretty disheartening.

Naive probably..but..JMHO.
Go ahead and attack...

nice sentiments but misguided. The rest of the country has gone through their talks. they should be thinking about the family time in the summer and not wondering if they will be walking a picket line. 705 and 710 could have joined the NMA and prevented the possibility of ruining anyones summer. Instead these unions seperated theirselves from the pack and now expect everyone to come running to their defense. Its parasitic unionism at its best.

 

[cachsux]

You must have gotten a good nights sleep last night,you`re really laying it on thick.

 

[bellesotico]

nice sentiments but misguided. The rest of the country has gone through their talks. they should be thinking about the family time in the summer and not wondering if they will be walking a picket line. 705 and 710 could have joined the NMA and prevented the possibility of ruining anyones summer. Instead these unions seperated theirselves from the pack and now expect everyone to come running to their defense. Its parasitic unionism at its best.

tieguy-

I understand what you are saying and I appreciate you not ripping my post to pieces. However I don't feel that my post was all that misguided. What I am saying what the 705 and 710 should have/could have done is neither here nor there. I don't think that they are expecting anyone to defend them, but I don't see why a show of support is such a huge request.

I'm not sure I would agree with you about parasitic unionism..I believe the Teamster National/Local relationship would be symbiotic in nature..but I think that maybe a better term would be..commensalism.

 

[tieguy]

tieguy-

I understand what you are saying and I appreciate you not ripping my post to pieces. However I don't feel that my post was all that misguided. What I am saying what the 705 and 710 should have/could have done is neither here nor there. I don't think that they are expecting anyone to defend them, but I don't see why a show of support is such a huge request.

show of support for negotiating seperately when all of this should be behind us.

I'm not sure I would agree with you about parasitic unionism..I believe the Teamster National/Local relationship would be symbiotic in nature..but I think that maybe a better term would be..commensalism.

This relationship is clearly parasitic. if the two unions join the nma then they provide a unified front at contract time , instead they negotiate seperately and weaken the national effort.

They negotiate seperately and see what the nma gets. they then have the opportunity to better that offer.

So their negotiations do nothing to strengthen the nma but they expect the entire intl to come a runnin if they start a labor dispute. This is clearly a one way parasitic relationship.

 

[Mike Hawk]

705 and 710 could have joined the NMA and prevented the possibility of ruining anyones summer. Instead these unions seperated theirselves from the pack and now expect everyone to come running to their defense. Its parasitic unionism at its best.

They would be holding up the master right now if they had a supplement instead of a separate contract, but that wouldn't change Tieguy’s argument. He would be saying they want better than everyone else’s supplement, instead of they want better than everyone else’s NMA.

I wouldn’t worry about Tieguy's new talking points for his old anti-union propaganda, it's just different poop coming out of the same butt.

 

[1989]

They would be holding up the master right now if they had a supplement instead of a separate contract, but that wouldn't change Tieguy’s argument. He would be saying they want better than everyone else’s supplement, instead of they want better than everyone else’s NMA.

I wouldn’t worry about Tieguy's new talking points for his old anti-union propaganda, it's just different poop coming out of the same butt.

How would they hold up the master? I remember working while other supplements were still being hashed out in the past.

 

[local804]

How would they hold up the master? I remember working while other supplements were still being hashed out in the past.

That is because our contract didnt expire and had 8 months left for negotiations. If they were part of the NM, it wouldnt be done.

 

[BigBrownSanta]

If you ask me, 705 and 710 didn't ask for special negotiations, the intl left them behind to fend for themselves. If hoffa hadn't been so afraid of losing the CS pension under the new federal laws, then everyone, 705/710 included, would be voting for a strike authorization right now. Hoffa enticed everyone to start negotiations early. The contract didn't need to be done 1 year early except to sell the pension to UPS.

 

[cachsux]

They would be holding up the master right now if they had a supplement instead of a separate contract, but that wouldn't change Tieguy’s argument. He would be saying they want better than everyone else’s supplement, instead of they want better than everyone else’s NMA.

I wouldn’t worry about Tieguy's new talking points for his old anti-union propaganda, it's just different poop coming out of the same butt.

I accidentally left my computers speakers on while reading Ties posts and all I could hear was the scratchy noise like an old broken record.

 

[soberups]

This wonderful contract they just shoved up our ass without giving us all of the details (did ANYONE here have any idea we weren't getting a COLA raise?)

Our local union (162) had a meeting in which the contract proposal was gone over line by line, and the Business Agent was available to answer any questions about the language.
I chose to go to that meeting so that I could make an informed vote. The proposal was also available to be studied online. Anybody who voted "yes" without reading the proposal or understanding the ramifications of what they were voting for has no one to blame but themselves. There are a lot of people in my building who couldnt be bothered to attend the meeting or do a bit of research....they simply looked at how much $$ we were getting in raises and quit thinking. They voted "yes" and are now complaining about the details that they didnt care enough to learn about before casting their vote. I have little sympathy for them. We as a union and a work group have the contract we voted for. If we dont like it...we will have an opportunity in 5 years to make better choices.

 

[soberups]

So their negotiations do nothing to strengthen the nma but they expect the entire intl to come a runnin if they start a labor dispute. This is clearly a one way parasitic relationship.

They honored our picket line in '97....we honor theirs now.

 

[soberups]

Don't keep us hanging sober tell us the ending of this beautifull story.

This person was not the only one that moved out. Many others also moved out. even you moved out. Houses sat empty. Lawns were overgrown etc as membership in these communities then declined.

Or so it would be if you were referencing union membership which has declined over the years.

I moved out because my ex-wifes divorce attorney told me I had to. When she sold the place, it was on the market for 45 minutes and got full asking price. There are no empty houses there now....but they are adding a second phase to the development and people are already lining up to buy.
Union membership is declining due to the outsourcing of manufacturing jobs to China amd Mexico. The slow, cancerous growth of "right-to-work" states hasnt helped either. Neither has NAFTA. Our government, and the big corporations that have bought and paid for it, havent exactly been what you could call pro-union for at least 30 years.

 

[drewed]

How would they hold up the master? I remember working while other supplements were still being hashed out in the past.

You can work through the master expiring, while the supplements being worked out.

Last year the NMA was accepted, but several locals (in PENN and Iowa I believe) held out to get their supplements worked on. If it would have been a year later, although the NMA had been accepted, it would not technically in accepted/signed till all the supplements had been worked out.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

... but I don't see why a show of support is such a huge request.

Moral support--no problem.

Support beyond that--?