The 2024 Presidential Race Thread

[Next Day Err]

Unless you’re Trump!

I think he's guilty but legally he's innocent until proven as such... in which case he was in the New York business record fraud case, 34 times over. He's set for his sentencing later this month. We'll see.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Yep, it's complicated. There's been several instances of mixed results of moving funds from policing to other social services to lessen crime. And just because money flows back into policing doesn't mean that works any better for prevention. See: Austin, Minneapolis, Denver, Los Angeles, Seattle...

Looks like all those liberal cities have figured out. Apparently adding more government services, making sure more people are on Welfare destitute, and relying on the government really helps the situation!

Creating a permanent underclass that always votes for you really a stroke of genius!

 

[Thebrownblob]

I think he's guilty but legally he's innocent until proven as such... in which case he was in the New York business record fraud case, 34 times over. He's set for his sentencing later this month. We'll see.

Well, I can’t wait! Let the Circus begin

 

[Thebrownblob]

I think he's guilty but legally he's innocent until proven as such... in which case he was in the New York business record fraud case, 34 times over. He's set for his sentencing later this month. We'll see.

You think he’s guilty? I would’ve never guessed.

 

[newfie]

In the federal election interference case brought by Special Counsel Jack Smith, former President Donald Trump faces four specific charges related to his alleged efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election. These charges, outlined in a grand jury indictment filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia on August 1, 2023, include:



1. Conspiracy to Defraud the United States: This charge alleges that Trump conspired with others to obstruct and impair the lawful functions of the federal government, particularly the certification of the electoral vote count. Prosecutors argue that this effort involved spreading false claims of election fraud and pressuring officials to alter or interfere with the election results.

2. Conspiracy to Obstruct an Official Proceeding: This charge focuses on the certification of the electoral vote by Congress on January 6, 2021. Prosecutors allege that Trump and co-conspirators plotted to stop or delay the certification process, particularly through efforts to create fake slates of electors in swing states and by pressuring Vice President Mike Pence to reject valid electoral votes.

3. Obstruction of and Attempt to Obstruct an Official Proceeding: This charge further addresses Trump’s alleged role in directly trying to halt Congress’s certification of the electoral vote on January 6. Unlike the conspiracy charge, this one focuses on the specific act of obstructing the certification process through false claims and pressure tactics aimed at government officials.

4. Conspiracy Against Rights: This charge is based on a statute from the Reconstruction Era, often used in civil rights cases, which prohibits conspiracies to deprive people of their rights. Prosecutors allege that Trump and others attempted to deprive U.S. voters of their constitutional right to have their votes counted and fairly represented by trying to alter the lawful outcome of the election.



These charges together accuse Trump of orchestrating a coordinated effort to undermine the election’s integrity and prevent the peaceful transfer of power. If convicted, he could face significant prison time, especially since obstruction and conspiracy charges each carry substantial penalties.

Anyway… We would know already what he was guilty of if he wasn’t a billionaire that could delay his cases so years. But here we are.

lawfare

 

[Next Day Err]

You think he’s guilty? I would’ve never guessed.

He sure as was found guilty in the business fraud case. 34 times.

I never would've guessed you would downplay it.

 

[newfie]

I think he's guilty but legally he's innocent until proven

its that pesky little "but" that complicates Jack Smiths case.

 

[Next Day Err]

Revisiting the Access Hollywood tape. There's a TikTok trend of young voters' reaction to that audio for the first time. It occurred to me that one of the worst parts about that audio was Trump admitting that he tried to "move on" a married woman. He knew she was married. So, DIDO and others that call Kamala Harris a "whore" for sleeping with a man who was separated from his wife for years, what do we call Trump for knowingly trying to "" a married woman?

 

[Thebrownblob]

He sure as was found guilty in the business fraud case. 34 times.

I never would've guessed you would downplay it.

I would’ve never guessed it either but here we are. I mean 34 convictions and the dude is still a Free man L O L they seem like they’re very believable convictions. Almost seems like The New York legal system downplayed them. Why are you blaming me?

 

[Next Day Err]

I would’ve never guessed it either but here we are. I mean 34 convictions and the dude is still a Free man L O L they seem like they’re very believable convictions. Almost seems like The New York legal system downplayed them. Why are you blaming me?

November 26. We'll both find out how serious his sentencing will be.

It won't be serious even though anyone else with 34 felonies would get jail time.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Revisiting the Access Hollywood tape. There's a TikTok trend of young voters' reaction to that audio for the first time. It occurred to me that one of the worst parts about that audio was Trump admitting that he tried to "move on" a married woman. He knew she was married. So, DIDO and others that call Kamala Harris a "whore" for sleeping with a man who was separated from his wife for years, what do we call Trump for knowingly trying to "" a married woman?

 

[vantexan]

He sure as was found guilty in the business fraud case. 34 times.

I never would've guessed you would downplay it.

Let's see how that goes in appeal. Those charges were never brought against others for doing the exact same thing because everyone understood that's how that business is conducted. For the state to take advantage of the situation to go after Trump and Trump alone makes it clear what their agenda was. It was only a crime because the state said so and even then they didn't define in court what the exact crime was. Trump surged in popularity after people recognized the rigged nature of the charges. So good luck with the appeal.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Let's see how that goes in appeal. Those charges were never brought against others for doing the exact same thing because everyone understood that's how that business is conducted. For the state to take advantage of the situation to go after Trump and Trump alone makes it clear what their agenda was. It was only a crime because the state said so and even then they didn't define in court what the exact crime was. Trump surged in popularity after people recognized the rigged nature of the charges. So good luck with the appeal.

Yep if the American electorate felt these “convictions” were more than just political retribution he wouldn’t stand a chance at winning. But he does so….

If he wins, the left will have themselves to blame.

 

[Thebrownblob]

My Phat fantasy football team is a serious underdog this week, but we will prevail!!!

 

[oldngray]

Let's see how that goes in appeal. Those charges were never brought against others for doing the exact same thing because everyone understood that's how that business is conducted. For the state to take advantage of the situation to go after Trump and Trump alone makes it clear what their agenda was. It was only a crime because the state said so and even then they didn't define in court what the exact crime was. Trump surged in popularity after people recognized the rigged nature of the charges. So good luck with the appeal.

The state had to change the law before they could even begin to go after Trump.

 

[oldngray]

My Phat fantasy football team is a serious underdog this week, but we will prevail!!!

Aren't you usually a heavy favorite?

 

[Thebrownblob]

Aren't you usually a heavy favorite?

This is no time for fat jokes. I need to win.

 

[vantexan]

The state had to change the law before they could even begin to go after Trump.

But to hear some tell it here Trump violated sacred laws carved in stone.

 

[Appvol]

The state had to change the law before they could even begin to go after Trump.

@Next Day Err doesn’t understand that

 

[BigUnionGuy]

This is no time for fat jokes.