FedEX 4 Life
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I bet you are that old guy in every meeting complaining about everything.
I understand that. I think I misunderstood what you were saying. Having reread what you said, I believe what you are saying is that with all the right to work states, there aren't enough people who would vote for a union under the RLA. I guess if the classification changes and some locations went union, the other locations could wait and see how things work out for the union locations.
The old plan was fully funded, actually it was above 100% if I remember correctly. The PPA of 2006 changed how it had to be funded each year. If you believe that FedEx could have made those fund payments each and every year based on the new rules, then that's fine. I think you'll find, however, that wasn't the case and hence the change. Again, I'm not saying the PPP is or is not a good plan, I'm just pointing out that the investment losses that defined benefit plans incurred over the last year or so would have required hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars, in new funds to meet the requirements under the PPA. FedEx certainly wasn't the only large corporation that faced this problem.
Ricochet1a
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Again, missing the forest...
There are three job classifications that would be the focus of unionization:
Couriers
RTD's
Mechanics
These are predominently full-time, career job classifications. AGFS doesn't have a change at unionization with the exception of aircraft mechanics. It would remain under RLA rules in any event.
The handlers and non-driving wage positions would be difficult to unionize. None of us are talking about any crafts outside the three mentioned above.
Part-time employees outside a few crafts rarely unionize. They tend to stay in their job for a short time and have little attachment to it.
We'll know by Sept 30th who's ready to play when you don't have the RLA to hide behind.Respond to what? Your "Very Happy" smiley face? You need to go back to the edge of the playground and watch the "big boys" play. You aren't ready to hold your own yet.
Ricochet1a
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There are two groups of people in a union fight: the leaders and followers. The followers hang back waiting to see how the fight will go. After the heavy lifting has been done, they'll do a cost benefit analysis and decide whether or not to join. They take no risk. They are useful since they provide the critical mass over the long term to provide bargaining power.
When attempting to start a union, it is the people that are willing to take a risk that are essential to get things moving. These people aren't motivated solely by cost benefit analysis. They may win, they may lose their jobs. These are the people that decide to take a risk lead those that will benefit in the long term. They accept that "bullseye" that management places on them in the hope that one day they will gain bargaining power over their work and compensation levels.
Anyone reading this forum thinking solely along the lines of "what is in it for me" needs to sit back and wait. When the critical mass has been achieved, then they can join the party and enjoy the benefits. Those who are driven by a motive that can only be described in terms of emotion are the ones that will do the heavy lifting. They will be the ones that eventually will become the shop stewards and local organizers. They don't want to become leaders, but their drive to correct what they see as a fundamental wrong will place them into leadership by default. Cost benefit analysis isn't the only motivating factor for people to act. Ask anyone who has worn a uniform for this country and you'll learn that everything can't be boiled down to a paycheck and pension.
This is a common theme in history. Many are sympathetic, but are too fearful to act believing that they will lose more than they can possibly gain. It is after a critical momentum is achieved, that those who are sympathetic yet fearful begin to openly support the effort. It takes those who are willing to take a chance to make a change.
The RLA acts to prevent any momentum from developing. The organizing rules prevent any real foothold from being established. You can equivocate all you want, this is why FedEx has spent millions upon millions to stay under RLA, to prevent any development of labor momentum from turning FedEx into a union company.
I know that many Couriers would switch jobs and paychecks with UPS drivers in a heartbeat. I don't know of a single UPS driver that would be willing to switch jobs and paychecks with FedEx Couriers - and definately not with Ground helpers. That speaks volumes about the situation.
FedEX 4 Life
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False! Absolutly false.See now you are just spouting BS.Yes most FDX workers would want a UPS paycheck but none want the UPS job.If this was true why would they even work for Fedex instead of UPS.Ive never EVER heard from a Fedex driver that he wishes his job was like UPS.
Your posts keep getting more and more irrelevant.
Well that's my problem. I have a hard time being a follower.
I know of one person who left FedEx to be a UPS employee and I know of many, many people who left UPS to work for FedEx. Granted, I know only a minute fraction of the people at FedEx but I've seen this situation (many ex-UPSers working at FedEx) in plenty of FedEx locations. So what does that say? (And, no, I'm not being facetious)
I appreciate the sentiments in the rest of your post and I agree that too many people are followers and don't participate in their own destiny. That's a big shame whether you believe in FedEx or a union.
Ricochet1a
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You know, you ought to change your BC "name" to Blowfish - or Pufferfish.
You are a small fish swimming in a big pond that seems to have some self-confidence issues. So at every opportunity, you puff up as big as you can, trying to impress those around you.
I would've worked for UPS had they not required a long stint as a handler. I'd go to work for them tomorrow if I could start as a driver and not a handler. There is no point in going all the way to the bottom. This is part of the reason for the unionization effort, so all the career employees aren't faced with the false choice of having to start completely over to have a decent career.
Ricochet1a
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It took a "road to Damascus conversion" for me to begin to lead and stop "persecuting". And the analogy is a good one, without the supernatural intervention part.
FedEX 4 Life
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Dork....I hear what you are saying and where you are coming from. As an outsider to FedEx you probably assume everything they say is fact. You have no reason to believe otherwise since you are not employed by FDX. I can tell you first hand that 20%(being generous) is true and the rest is lies, misinformation, conjecture, and outright BS.
You have to remember that people seek out the internet for a platform to whine and complain, not usually to give somebody or something kudos. Take a look at the discussion forums. Usually somebody is posting about a problem, a concern, or just venting. Those posts far outweigh the positive ones because people that are happy are not seeking out the net for others to lend a shoulder for them to cry on.
If FDX was so bad they wouldn't be able to attract anyone to work for them and you would have thousands of disgruntled FDX employees on here complaining and not the 6 there currently are.
FedEX 4 Life
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Well said.
I think these same guys would complain about being pornstars.
Oooopps....there you go again trying to make yourself look smart and all informed. This is what I am talking about Dorkhead when I say 80% of what these guys say is pure
While its true that we have looked at BC at the RT no one has ever logged in from work, nor posted. All the posting is done on my time from my home computer. In addition if we did decide to post from work, FDX wouldn't know who it is because we, nor the ramp is on GRID. We have PC's. All but a few of them require a CORP login and are open for anyone to use. Management isn't watching me or anyone else for union activities because contrary to your wild assumptions and opinions which you try to pass off as fact around here, its just happening.
If FDX didn't like us looking at this site from work they would have Colorado block this site and bring up the security screen when we try to bring up the URL.
LOL
I better watch out, I think this is my 4th post of the day. olcc is going to get upset. Chill out olcc I will be off of here in another day or two as I am tiring of the constant complaining and negativity. I will check back once in a while for a good laugh and see what the conspiracy theorists are coming up with next. Maybe some of these guys could get on with George Noory and have a round table discussion with Alex Jones and Steve Quayle.
MrFedEx
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Oooopps....there you go again trying to make yourself look smart and all informed. This is what I am talking about Dorkhead when I say 80% of what these guys say is pure
While its true that we have looked at BC at the RT no one has ever logged in from work, nor posted. All the posting is done on my time from my home computer. In addition if we did decide to post from work, FDX wouldn't know who it is because we, nor the ramp is on GRID. We have PC's. All but a few of them require a CORP login and are open for anyone to use. Management isn't watching me or anyone else for union activities because contrary to your wild assumptions and opinions which you try to pass off as fact around here, its just happening.
If FDX didn't like us looking at this site from work they would have Colorado block this site and bring up the security screen when we try to bring up the URL.
If you are at an RT location you are on camera all the time. Once, while having a discussion in our RT breakroom we heard someone cough. However, it wasn't anyone in the room. Management had been listening-in to our conversation and someone accidentally hit the PA button on the phone. We spent the next 15 minutes listening to them target "problem" individuals and lay out their strategies to terminate them. In the pre-DADS days, 2 managers were doing a route together and accidentally keyed the mike. We were treated to an earful for the next hour, including more strategies on how to "get" a couple of employees. Very enlightening. By the way, union sympathizers were prominently mentioned in both instances.
Like I've said, it's curious that another pro-Fedex person just happens to show up and go after the 2 people on this site that have consistently posted the facts. Odd...
Management isn't watching you or anyone else for union activities? Why are there watch lists, and why are there managers assigned to anti-union teams? You're extremely ignorant if you don't think that anyone who has ever advocated for a union isn't being monitored. When I held meetings in 1997, we had to throw 2 managers out who tried to attend off-site sessions, and a friend (a senior manager) showed me a memo that had my name, the name of the manager assigned to monitor my activities, and the names of anyone else who attended a union meeting or was suspected of attending. That sounds like monitoring to me.
If you want to be another of Fred's useful idiots, please feel free to join the club of pretenders, synchophants, Kool-Aid drinkers, and general morons who continue to grovel before Fred and his empire. You've got lots of company.
DorkHead
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You have to remember that people seek out the internet for a platform to whine and complain, not usually to give somebody or something kudos. [/QUOTE]
Point well taken Artee.
So would you say that FedEx, as a company, is complaining and whining by starting the website " Brown Bailout.com "?
And as far as facts go, isn`t it also deceitful for BB.com to imply that UPS is receiving a "bailout"?
DH
Point well taken Artee.
So would you say that FedEx, as a company, is complaining and whining by starting the website " Brown Bailout.com "?
And as far as facts go, isn`t it also deceitful for BB.com to imply that UPS is receiving a "bailout"?
DH
FedEX 4 Life
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Im going to go out on a limb here and say this never happened.Accidenlty keying a mic and revealin info on firing people?Sounds like a bunch of made up BS to me.Back in the old days when we use radios,it was impossible to accidently key a mic and have it stay keyed on accidently.NOT GONNA HAPPEN.This is just more made up crap by MrFraggEx.
If your going to make stuff up,atleast try something plausable.
MrFedEx
Engorged Member
Please learn to spell. In the pre-DADS days, it was completely possible to key the mike and have it stick. Of course, since you've never actually been a courier you wouldn't have any experience using a 2-way radio. What makes you think managers are so intelligent anyway? They get fired all the time for their mistakes. Both of these guys got letters and neither are with the company any more. They weed themselves out. Again, if you worked for FedEx you'd know that.
Since you didn't know what a BST was, do you even know what DADS stood for?
