542thruNthru
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You mean I could quit like you did...
The New Contract And Future Pension Contributions: Are We Ok. Or Are We Robbing Peter To Pay Paul?
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Trucker Clock
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You are starting to sound a little anti Union. I won’t use the word. You only care about yourself. Of what you got, or what you didn’t get.
A Union is the whole. For the benefit of everybody.
I get it. Me first. Give me what I want and then maybe give the next guy some.
I put myself right up there, but care about the next guy, apparently, more than you do.
I reconciled the fact that I gave up a lot so that everybody else can improve. The true definition of a Union. Maybe you should do the same. If not, you know what to do.
Just A UPS Guy
Bully.
So, if I have a higher net worth that you, does that mean I should get top rate from the last contract while you get the GWIs?
Trucker Clock
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Retired. Went back to my job. Got tired of the thankless job of dealing with the @meetoo, the people like you, who are only in it for themselves and could care less. About the other guy.
People quit realizing what a Union is all about. I could not do any good anymore dealing with the @meetoo generation. It was everybody for themselves.
I was no longer able to make a difference. I tried my best, but because of people like you, I gave it up.
One last try. A Union is about the collective. Some may have to give up some for others to benefit. Equal pay for the same job. Equal representation.
If I can get through to the people like you, maybe I quit too early and I will give it another try. I doubt it though. People will never change.
You will never quit bitching that others got improved while you maintained the same.
And, by the way, you did not maintain the same. Your actuaries have said you will get an increase in benefits, they just don’t know how much.
Trucker Clock
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Nope. You should make the same money as me doing the same job.
Trucker Clock
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What do you think a Union is all about?
Just A UPS Guy
Bully.
So, if I invest better with the same money and retire with more in the bank, that's fair?
Wally
BrownCafe Innovator & King of Puns
We accept the pension, uneven pension funding, not so much.
Over70irregs
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Excellent observation on hospital infrastructure. Their real estate building expansion powers seem to have no limits.
Wally
BrownCafe Innovator & King of Puns
The Cadillac tax, tax the people who provide for themselves... In true liberal Democrat form, O'Brian too wants to punish some to give to others.
DELACROIX
In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
We all know what “a Union is all about”…
It is a matter of what “a Union Should Be…
Equal benefits, Equal Pensions, Equal Wages for every member, or have we forgotten that concept…
Trucker Clock
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I haven't forgotten that.
@Just A UPS Guy will be getting almost $2000/mo more than the Central, and even more than that compared to other plans, at the end of the contract, but he voted no because he wants more. He wants the gap even wider. What a Union is not about.
Just A UPS Guy
Bully.
So again I'll ask, if we get the same pay, and I invest and end up with more money than you, is that fair?
Thebrownblob
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Whatever happened to the stock split you promised?
Wally
BrownCafe Innovator & King of Puns
Add in the fact that some locals kick in more dollars.
Trucker Clock
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That's fair. Your fund is doing better. You have always got a better pension. I never complained about that. You're going to get almost $25K more than me at the end of the contract. Good for you.
But you're thinking that your pension contribution went to us. Wrong.
We got a decent pension increase, but still not what you are getting. I have no problem with that. No problem with you getting $25K more than me. So why complain that we got a little more. Your so called non existent pension contribution increase did not go to me. Did not go to my pension. It actually went to raises for everyone. You know, what a Union is all about.
Now, if you took a pension decline, or even a freeze, OK. But you didn't, even though your postings are making people think you did.
Just A UPS Guy
Bully.
We get more with the same money as everyone else. We invest the same pay, and do it better, it's as fair as it gets. No one will be getting $25k more than you in the next 5 years.
I never said that, I know our money didn't go to you, it went to "historic" raises for a bunch of people who won't be here next peak.
I've said you deserve your pension increase, and then some. I never implied or pointed to anything otherwise. I always acknowledged that my increase was diverted into raises.
I didn't say those things, nor did I ever imply such. You keep making up exorbitant numbers for our pension and you're not even close. You just keep pointing out how we don't deserve a contribution increase because we "have enough" and "that's not what a pension is for." Well, you don't get to decide what is enough for me, or what my pension is for. I just pointed out how in this contract that increases the cost to the company from $13B to over $30B and somehow we can't keep the contribution increases.
And you make it out like it's just me, there are probably a dozen funds that are getting
ed the same way, while Sean's fund gets a huge hourly boost. I get the legalities if it, but it's a bad look nonetheless. Pensions all over had their contribution increases stolen because "their actuaries said they didn't need it" or some bull. They didn't need them to keep the fund in the green zone, so no fund will die in the next 5 years. I'm betting no FT teamster said they wanted historic raises, even at the expense of their pension.
Over70irregs
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Naw hospital expansion has been happening for decades. Similar to university and college campuses who have bloated regardless of WH politics.
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