The Policies That Failed

[vantexan]

Yes gerrymandering worked. Just look at North Carolina at what happens when republicans loose. They start to change the rules to retain power. Why try to appeal to more voters when you can just work to suppress the vote? The GOP is most concerned with power not actual governance. They claim government is a dysfunctional failure full of fraud and when they are in charge they make sure that's true.

Suppress the vote? If Democrats had come out for Hillary like they did for Obama she would've won. If Democrats in key Rust Belt States hadn't voted Trump she would've won. 50% of voters didn't even turn out to vote. Why do you think that is? Two very flawed candidates. Enough turned out for Trump in enough states to give him the win. It doesn't matter if she got more votes because many of those votes were concentrated in large liberal states. That means other than winning those states electoral votes they counted for little. She would've been better served campaigning in Rust Belt States and assuring them she would get them relief. 200 counties that voted for Obama flipped for Trump. It's how our system works and he just flat outworked her to get those votes. And yet all through the campaign the liberal Left looked down their noses at all those people at his rallies. "Basket of Deplorables" is what she called them. She earned the loss and y'all have sour grapes.

 

[vantexan]

Yeah I bet people are . More people voted for Clinton yet oldafarts lord and savior won by technicality. That's usually what happens when you vote for something and it goes the other way. You get off.

What technicality? Do you not understand the process?

 

[It will be fine]

Suppress the vote? If Democrats had come out for Hillary like they did for Obama she would've won. If Democrats in key Rust Belt States hadn't voted Trump she would've won. 50% of voters didn't even turn out to vote. Why do you think that is? Two very flawed candidates. Enough turned out for Trump in enough states to give him the win. It doesn't matter if she got more votes because many of those votes were concentrated in large liberal states. That means other than winning those states electoral votes they counted for little. She would've been better served campaigning in Rust Belt States and assuring them she would get them relief. 200 counties that voted for Obama flipped for Trump. It's how our system works and he just flat outworked her to get those votes. And yet all through the campaign the liberal Left looked down their noses at all those people at his rallies. "Basket of Deplorables" is what she called them. She earned the loss and y'all have sour grapes.

Voter ID laws are designed to suppress minority votes. They've been a staple of GOP policy for years. Trump encouraged poll watchers to intimidate minority voters. It's what republicans do. When the Supreme Court said a bunch of southern states no longer needed federal approval for voter laws they immediately passed a bunch of racist voter suppression laws that never would have cleared federal approval.
So yes republican tactics work at gaining power, but don't pretend there's a mandate.

 

[vantexan]

Voter ID laws are designed to suppress minority votes. They've been a staple of GOP policy for years. Trump encouraged poll watchers to intimidate minority voters. It's what republicans do. When the Supreme Court said a bunch of southern states no longer needed federal approval for voter laws they immediately passed a bunch of racist voter suppression laws that never would have cleared federal approval.
So yes republican tactics work at gaining power, but don't pretend there's a mandate.

B.S. You have to have a picture I.D. to drive and fly. Requiring it to vote, which is in 34 states if I remember right, has never been proven to prevent people to vote. Where are the lawsuits about voter intimidation? Where? Those claims were made in both Bush vs Gore and vs Kerry yet not one lawsuit was filed, not one state attorney filed charges. Liberals can't stand to lose, and tear everything up when they do. And use every excuse possible other than the majority wasn't satisfied with their performance and chose to try the other party. And yes, you'll say the majority DID vote Democrat, but not where it mattered. Learn the electoral college process and work it.

 

[MrFedEx]

That's a new tactic this year. The Trump camp has been expected to address any and every comment and action made by anyone associated with him. I don't recall Obama (or anyone else) being handed a list of others' infractions and being told to disavow each and every one. Not that it would have mattered.



The same insight and understanding that led to claims that Hillary would walk all over him!

Right. So the new tactic is to avoid the press and say nothing? I don't recall any Democrats going racial on Republicans, and what Trump's advisor said was extreme, as in wanting Obama dead (literally), and postulating that Michelle should return to the jungle and consort with the apes. Anyone with even a shred of decency would kick this jerk to the curb, but he's still within Trump's inner circle and denies none of what he said. Disturbing.

I think they are :

1. Afraid Trump will say something stupid.

2. Afraid Trump will say something incriminating.

3. Attempting to control the message due to #1 and #2 above.

4. Just plain afraid of who their guy really is.

Right now, Trump is trying to dissolve his foundation before it goes viral that it was just a front that Trump used to give himself money. David Farenthold has pretty much established that The Trump Foundation is a farce, and that Trump himself almost never made good on his pledges to give to various causes.

The NY AG isn't going to let it go away until the investigation is complete. Hopefully, we expose the forthcoming Hitler before he really gets going.

 

[MrFedEx]

B.S. You have to have a picture I.D. to drive and fly. Requiring it to vote, which is in 34 states if I remember right, has never been proven to prevent people to vote. Where are the lawsuits about voter intimidation? Where? Those claims were made in both Bush vs Gore and vs Kerry yet not one lawsuit was filed, not one state attorney filed charges. Liberals can't stand to lose, and tear everything up when they do. And use every excuse possible other than the majority wasn't satisfied with their performance and chose to try the other party. And yes, you'll say the majority DID vote Democrat, but not where it mattered. Learn the electoral college process and work it.

You can't "work" a system that is rigged to give rural Right Wing areas an advantage. And voter suppression is absolutely a GOP tactic that they've been using for years.

 

[vantexan]

Right. So the new tactic is to avoid the press and say nothing? I don't recall any Democrats going racial on Republicans, and what Trump's advisor said was extreme, as in wanting Obama dead (literally), and postulating that Michelle should return to the jungle and consort with the apes. Anyone with even a shred of decency would kick this jerk to the curb, but he's still within Trump's inner circle and denies none of what he said. Disturbing.

I think they are :

1. Afraid Trump will say something stupid.

2. Afraid Trump will say something incriminating.

3. Attempting to control the message due to #1 and #2 above.

4. Just plain afraid of who their guy really is.

Right now, Trump is trying to dissolve his foundation before it goes viral that it was just a front that Trump used to give himself money. David Farenthold has pretty much established that The Trump Foundation is a farce, and that Trump himself almost never made good on his pledges to give to various causes.

The NY AG isn't going to let it go away until the investigation is complete. Hopefully, we expose the forthcoming Hitler before he really gets going.

Totally partisan. Where's the Clinton Foundation investigation? And avoiding the press? Hillary spent most of her campaign avoiding news conferences.

 

[vantexan]

You can't "work" a system that is rigged to give rural Right Wing areas an advantage. And voter suppression is absolutely a GOP tactic that they've been using for years.

Then how did Obama win twice? Clinton win twice? Name where voters have been intimidated from voting? And many Red states have large cities too. And large minority populations. Your candidate was seriously flawed, and Democrats didn't turn out to vote for her like they did Obama.

 

[It will be fine]

B.S. You have to have a picture I.D. to drive and fly. Requiring it to vote, which is in 34 states if I remember right, has never been proven to prevent people to vote. Where are the lawsuits about voter intimidation? Where? Those claims were made in both Bush vs Gore and vs Kerry yet not one lawsuit was filed, not one state attorney filed charges. Liberals can't stand to lose, and tear everything up when they do. And use every excuse possible other than the majority wasn't satisfied with their performance and chose to try the other party. And yes, you'll say the majority DID vote Democrat, but not where it mattered. Learn the electoral college process and work it.

The ACLU has a good page on voter ID law

Oppose Voter ID Legislation - Fact Sheet
You might like the part where it's a giant waste of taxpayer money. Indiana spent $10 mil on their implementation. The laws are absolutely about voter suppression since there are few if any actual cases of in person voter fraud. It's a stupid "problem" to be solving. The penalties for voter fraud vastly outweigh any potential gain, that's why it doesn't happen. Many GOP lawmakers have freely admitted the laws are about suppressing minority voters.
As for voter intimidation, we don't need lawsuits. Trump advocated it while campaigning. How many people took him up on it is besides the point. The new leader of the free world told his supporters to head to polls and intimidate voters not likely to support him. It's despicable.

 

[sandwich]

What technicality? Do you not understand the process?

If you score less points but still win the game. That's a technicality.

 

[vantexan]

The ACLU has a good page on voter ID law

Oppose Voter ID Legislation - Fact Sheet
You might like the part where it's a giant waste of taxpayer money. Indiana spent $10 mil on their implementation. The laws are absolutely about voter suppression since there are few if any actual cases of in person voter fraud. It's a stupid "problem" to be solving. The penalties for voter fraud vastly outweigh any potential gain, that's why it doesn't happen. Many GOP lawmakers have freely admitted the laws are about suppressing minority voters.
As for voter intimidation, we don't need lawsuits. Trump advocated it while campaigning. How many people took him up on it is besides the point. The new leader of the free world told his supporters to head to polls and intimidate voters not likely to support him. It's despicable.

The recent Jill Stein recount found more votes cast in Detroit than actual voters. It's Democrats who always insist on no picture I.D., it's Democrats who say there's no fraud when there is, it's Democrats who always talk voter intimidation when there isn't any. No lawsuits, no state attorneys filing charges. There's that pesky undercover video of Democrat operatives talking of how they were starting fights at Trump rallies. True too, because the Clinton campaign fired them after video came out. There's the hacked emails showing the DNC helping Clinton against Sanders, and Brazille giving debate questions ahead of the first debate to Clinton. And you want to act like innocent kids being picked on by those mean bully Republicans. Right. And Trump didn't do any such thing.

 

[vantexan]

If you score less points but still win the game. That's a technicality.

No, that's the system. You make it sound like they dug up some obscure rule to give Trump the win.

 

[Oldfart]

Again........ He lost the popular vote. You guys should use all this political knowledge you keep trying to tell me and apply it to your own brain. Trump lost the popular vote. Trump lost the popular vote. He won by electoral college. Oldfart you do realize that more people actually voted for Clinton. Meaning he lost the popular vote. Trump lost the popular vote. Do you understand what that means??

Yep. Trump will be sworn in and Hillary and her bogus husband will be free to charge 250k for speeches like they did the last few years.

 

[MrFedEx]

Totally partisan. Where's the Clinton Foundation investigation? And avoiding the press? Hillary spent most of her campaign avoiding news conferences.

Your boy is totally avoiding the press, a charge he leveled against Clinton. He won, so where are the tax returns, and the press conferences? The Clinton Foundation has already been investigated, and cleared. Read some of Farenthold's articles regarding the bogus Trump Foundation. It seems pretty clear that Trump didn't donate, and that income from the foundation went to him. Another fine example of Trump ethics.

Oh, yeah. In 2012, Trump said the Electoral College was "a disaster". When it worked for him in 2016, it was "genius".

The real problem is that not enough people voted overall, as you pointed out. If the same folks who turned out for Obama showed up in 2016, the polls would have been accurate and Clinton would have won, not handily, but she would have won.

Anyway, it's all over now. Let's see those tax returns, OK?

 

[Oldfart]

It isn't like Trump was the first to win without the popular vote. He is actually the 5th. I am sure it will happen again. The rules were set in place over 240 years ago. People act like the college was just created and they were not aware of the procedure. Trump won, your candidate lost. Get over it. Your candidate won the last 2 elections and we didn't riot and loot like Hillary supporters did when she lost. Sounds like Democrats must be sore losers.

 

[Oldfart]

Your boy is totally avoiding the press, a charge he leveled against Clinton. He won, so where are the tax returns? The Clinton Foundation has already been investigated, and cleared. Read some of Farenthold's articles regarding the bogus Trump Foundation.

Oh, yeah. In 2012, Trump said the Electoral College was "a disaster". When it worked for him in 2016, it was "genius".

The real problem is that not enough people voted overall, as you pointed out. If the same folks who turned out for Obama showed up in 2016, the polls would have been accurate and Clinton would have won, not handily, but she would have won.

Anyway, it's all over now. Let's see those tax returns, OK?

I love it when the losing people always throw in the word IF. If Obama had done a decent job and IF Hillary would been a decent candidate, she would have won. Since Obama was a failure and Hillary was so unliked even by Democrats, she lost. Democrats lost over 1000 seats during Obama. Doesn't seem like many people agreed with the Democrats lately. I honestly believe Biden would have beaten Trump. I do not agree with his politics but he seems like a very likeable guy.

 

[vantexan]

Your boy is totally avoiding the press, a charge he leveled against Clinton. He won, so where are the tax returns, and the press conferences? The Clinton Foundation has already been investigated, and cleared. Read some of Farenthold's articles regarding the bogus Trump Foundation. It seems pretty clear that Trump didn't donate, and that income from the foundation went to him. Another fine example of Trump ethics.

Oh, yeah. In 2012, Trump said the Electoral College was "a disaster". When it worked for him in 2016, it was "genius".

The real problem is that not enough people voted overall, as you pointed out. If the same folks who turned out for Obama showed up in 2016, the polls would have been accurate and Clinton would have won, not handily, but she would have won.

Anyway, it's all over now. Let's see those tax returns, OK?

The Clinton Foundation has an ongoing FBI investigation, not cleared yet. And Trump was a very flawed candidate. Pick your poison with those two. And I agree, let's see the returns. I want transparency. I don't expect anything illegal in them, otherwise the IRS would have nailed his hide. But I do expect that he works the system to his great advantage, and it'll set off howls of derision from the Dems. I'd also like to see the missing 33,000 emails from Clinton, the ones that show pay for play with her foundation. Between the two she has much more to lose. And I bet he'll eventually go after her.

 

[vantexan]

It isn't like Trump was the first to win without the popular vote. He is actually the 5th. I am sure it will happen again. The rules were set in place over 240 years ago. People act like the college was just created and they were not aware of the procedure. Trump won, your candidate lost. Get over it. Your candidate won the last 2 elections and we didn't riot and loot like Hillary supporters did when she lost. Sounds like Democrats must be sore losers.

I think you've got the Declaration of Independence mixed up with the Constitution. More like over 220 years ago.

 

[It will be fine]

The recent Jill Stein recount found more votes cast in Detroit than actual voters. It's Democrats who always insist on no picture I.D., it's Democrats who say there's no fraud when there is, it's Democrats who always talk voter intimidation when there isn't any. No lawsuits, no state attorneys filing charges. There's that pesky undercover video of Democrat operatives talking of how they were starting fights at Trump rallies. True too, because the Clinton campaign fired them after video came out. There's the hacked emails showing the DNC helping Clinton against Sanders, and Brazille giving debate questions ahead of the first debate to Clinton. And you want to act like innocent kids being picked on by those mean bully Republicans. Right. And Trump didn't do any such thing.

Try using some critical thinking skills, Van. It would take a conspiracy of thousands of people to affect an election in just a single district through in person voter fraud. You would need all the voter registration info and then thousands of people to show up an impersonate voters of the opposition. You would need none of those actual voters to show up and start raising hell when they're told their vote was already cast. It's never happened and is extremely unlikely to ever happen. It is far more likely voter ID laws are designed to suppress the vote because in low turnout elections republicans win.

 

[Serf]

The media and fake news will continue to dismiss and marginalize middle America. Portraying them as the problem and reason why "Fascism" prevailed. People aren't buying it. This interracial porno that is democracy will continue to move people emotionally. Let's have voter ID laws! No, that's racist. Let's import thousands of Somali's and other shades of cappuccino to more rural areas in hopes of changing the electoral college make up.
Rational, level headed people should be pleased they live in a country where Southern California and Manhattan do not decide every election. It's cringe worthy frustration with a shade of comedy when I see John McCain and Lindsey Graham being interviewed on CNN about the danger of Russia and Vladimir Putin. Basically, they are saying the young kids in our country are free to die in mindless Middle East wars that we provoke, but never to start unapproved political movements, or support outside candidates. Blah, blah.