Babagounj
Strength through joy
The crusades were like centuries ago, the spanish inquisition also a long time ago, and the Irish conflict was more political , but with religious undertones.
What have cathiolics done lately ?
Any mass muderings ?
The religion of peace strikes again...
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The crusades were like centuries ago, the spanish inquisition also a long time ago, and the Irish conflict was more political , but with religious undertones.
What have cathiolics done lately ?
Any mass muderings ?
trplnkl
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In my 60 plus years I have seen none of these things taking place in the Christian churches I've been to or even heard of. As Baba pointed out, the N. Ireland wars were more over politics and had little to do with theology. Tell me why you think the crusades took place? Do you think it was to spread chrisianity or too concur new lands for economic reasons?
On the other hand we have heard lots of muslim beheading committed in this decade. The worst christian church sectioned actions I have heard of in recent years has been from those crazies at the west-whatever baptist church and to my knowledge they never physically hurt anyone.
Tell me also, how does your claim of ALL religions of the world balance with Buddhism?
texan
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Coordinated attacks claimed by a radical Islamist sect left at least 143 people dead in Nigeria's second-largest
city, a hospital official said Saturday.
The attacks started Friday afternoon after Muslim prayers and as shops closed for the weekend. A mortuary
attendant, who spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity, said the facility had 126 bodies.
More than 140 killed in Nigeria attacks - World news - Africa - msnbc.com
city, a hospital official said Saturday.
The attacks started Friday afternoon after Muslim prayers and as shops closed for the weekend. A mortuary
attendant, who spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity, said the facility had 126 bodies.
More than 140 killed in Nigeria attacks - World news - Africa - msnbc.com
MrFedEx
Engorged Member
The others just ex-communicate, threaten, or otherwise make life miserable. There are plenty of stories about former members being harassed or harmed by Christian cults and churches. As far as the killing of former Muslims goes, I see this more as rhetoric than fact. There are lots of ex-Muslims out there alive and well and doing fine. The leaders who make this kind of threat are the extremists, and not mainstream Muslims.
wkmac
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That is true now but at one time, the great volcano god told Moses to go into a piece of land and kill those of whom what one could just as easily be called an infidel. And did that end (conflict, war making and bloodshed) with the New Testament and Jesus?
Let's look at Matthew 10:34-37
But wait a minute, we have a conflict here. But what about the words of Jesus in Matthew 5 and the Great Sermon on the Mount? Matthew 5:17-19
But what does the law say in regards to one's duty to father and mother?
Exodus 20:12
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
Proverbs 30:17
But that's all that Old Testament stuff Jesus did away with right? After you consider his words again in Matt. 5, now consider the great Apostle Paul in Ephesians 6:1-3
Or what about Colossians 3:20
So Jesus in bringing violence among families instead of peace is provoking children to go against, disobey the parents bringing upon them dishonor and then Jesus in Matt. 5 tells us anyone who teaches others to break the laws of God is therefore least in the Kingdom of Heaven. So how can Jesus be the Prince of Peace, teaching the law to honor mother and father and yet tell all he is bringing strife, conflict and even hatred among parents and their children?
Wk. What is a sword? Can a sword do anything but cut? Can it parry? Defend? If Christ is the model swordsman, then whom can we look to as His students? Ghandi? Martin Luther King Jr.? Mother Theresa? How did they wield the sword and has it been effective?
Who is a mother or a father? I am adopted and have never met my biological parents. Does it matter? From the cross it is said that Christ introduced his mother to her son and son to mother. Are all familial ties worth saving? Is every mother or father worthy of the title?
I think this is in short what is being taught by the New Testament. It is a new way of viewing life and relationships putting the emphasis on love and respect than on blood lines and dynasty. There is a difference between being called a father and being a father. There is a difference between having the "father" title filled in on a birth certificate and earning it day in and day out.
But, what do I know. I'm just a truck driver. But my daughter gave me a multi-colored bead bracelet with the letters "DADDY" on it!
Who is a mother or a father? I am adopted and have never met my biological parents. Does it matter? From the cross it is said that Christ introduced his mother to her son and son to mother. Are all familial ties worth saving? Is every mother or father worthy of the title?
I think this is in short what is being taught by the New Testament. It is a new way of viewing life and relationships putting the emphasis on love and respect than on blood lines and dynasty. There is a difference between being called a father and being a father. There is a difference between having the "father" title filled in on a birth certificate and earning it day in and day out.
But, what do I know. I'm just a truck driver. But my daughter gave me a multi-colored bead bracelet with the letters "DADDY" on it!
texan
Well-Known Member
The Most Dangerous Place to be an Atheist
Alexander Aan was just another bureaucrat holding down a desk at the Department of Planning until his Facebook
Atheism page came to the notice of Indonesian authorities in Obama’s old stomping grounds. Now Aan is facing a
five year jail sentence for using social media to spread the message that Allah does not exist.
Alexander is being charged with “defiling” Islam by using passages from the Koran to challenge the Islamic religion.
And while the State Department and the media routinely go on the attack against any manifestation of what they
call “Islamophobia,” it isn’t likely that they will be rushing to Aan’s defense. This isn’t exactly the first time that
atheists have run afoul of the Islamic codes under which the Muslim world operates.
The Most Dangerous Place to be an Atheist | FrontPage Magazine
moreluck
golden ticket member
Another Hollywood idiot !!!!
(Huffington Post) — Irish actor Liam Neeson has revealed he is considering giving up on his Catholic faith and converting to Islam.
The Hollywood star, 59, was recently filming in Turkish city Istanbul and became fascinated with the muslim faith during his stay.
Speaking to The Sun, he said: “The Call to Prayer happens five times a day and for the first week it drives you crazy, and then it just gets into your spirit and it’s the most beautiful, beautiful thing.
“There are 4,000 mosques in the city. Some are just stunning and it really makes me think about becoming a Muslim.”
(Huffington Post) — Irish actor Liam Neeson has revealed he is considering giving up on his Catholic faith and converting to Islam.
The Hollywood star, 59, was recently filming in Turkish city Istanbul and became fascinated with the muslim faith during his stay.
Speaking to The Sun, he said: “The Call to Prayer happens five times a day and for the first week it drives you crazy, and then it just gets into your spirit and it’s the most beautiful, beautiful thing.
“There are 4,000 mosques in the city. Some are just stunning and it really makes me think about becoming a Muslim.”
moreluck
golden ticket member
Like the catholic church is a religion of peace Would have liked to see him convert to science and reason over another cult. I guess he likes cults where you wind up on your knees.
The GOP Brotherhood of Egypt
Demonized in the U.S. as radical terrorists, Egypt's Islamists are actually led by free-market businessmen
By Avi Asher-Schapiro
While western alarmists often depict Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood as a shadowy organization with terrorist ties, the Brotherhood’s ideology actually has more in common with America’s Republican Party than with al-Qaida. Few Americans know it but the Brotherhood is a free-market party led by wealthy businessmen whose economic agenda embraces privatization and foreign investment while spurning labor unions and the redistribution of wealth. Like the Republicans in the U.S., the financial interests of the party’s leadership of businessmen and professionals diverge sharply from those of its poor, socially conservative followers.
The Brotherhood, which did not initially support the revolution that began a year ago, reaped its benefits, capturing nearly half the seats in the new parliament, which was seated this week, and vaulting its top leaders into positions of power.
Arguably the most powerful man in the Muslim Brotherhood is Khairat Al-Shater, a multimillionaire tycoon whose financial interests extend into electronics, manufacturing and retail. A strong advocate of privatization, Al-Shater is one of a cadre of Muslim Brotherhood businessmen who helped finance the Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party’s impressive electoral victory this winter and is now crafting the FJP’s economic agenda.
At Al-Shater’s luxury furniture outlet Istakbal, a new couch costs about 6,000 Egyptian pounds, about $1,000 in U.S. currency. In a country where 40 percent of the population lives on less than $2 a day, Istakbal’s clientele is largely limited to Egypt’s upper classes.
Although the Brothers do draw significant support from Egypt’s poor and working class, “the Brotherhood is a firmly upper-middle-class organization in its leadership,” says Shadi Hamid, a leading Muslim Brotherhood expert at the Brookings Institution in Washington.
Not surprisingly, these well-to-do Egyptians are eager to safeguard their economic position in the post-Mubarak Egypt. Despite rising economic inequality and poverty, the Brotherhood does not back radical changes in Egypt’s economy.
The FJP’s economic platform is a tame document, rife with promises to root out corruption and tweak Egypt’s tax and subsidies systems, with occasional allusions to an unspecific commitment to “social justice.” The platform praises the mechanisms of the free market and promises that the party will work for “balanced, sustainable and comprehensive economic development.” It is a program that any European conservative party could get behind.
Over the last few months the Brothers have been publicizing their economic conservatism to international investors and financial institutions.
“The Brothers see this as a major source of its appeal among Western audiences,” Hamid explains. “Most people think the Brothers would be aligned with a leftist interventionist approach to the economy. But after taking a second look, most investors find themselves pleasantly surprised when they find out otherwise.”
Speaking to Reuters in November, Hassan Malek, a textile mogul and Brotherhood financier, emphasized that the Brothers “want to attract as much foreign investment as possible … and this needs a big role for the private sector.” Just last week, Malek was tapped by the Brotherhood to head up the newly formed “Egyptian Business and Investment Association,” a coalition of leading Brotherhood businessmen working to promote private investment.
For his part, Al-Shater has been personally courting select investors and reassuring them in private that the Brothers have no radical plans for the economy.
Over the last few months the Egyptian investment bank EFG-Hermes organized sit-downs between Al-Shater and 14 major investment managers from Europe, the United States and Africa. Al-Shater used the opportunity to reassure investors that the new government shares their goals.
“I believe the meeting dismissed some investors’ concerns about an extreme economic policy,” said Wael Ziada, an official with EFG.
The Brotherhood wants continuity. Al-Shater’s relationship with EFG-Hermes has raised some eyebrows, since the investment bank was partially owned by deposed President Hosni Mubarak’s son Gamal. But the businessmen in the Brotherhood do not seem concerned by this connection, and they are not at all hasty to jettison the Mubaraks’ economic legacy.
Malek has even gone so far as to praise the economic policies of the Mubarak regime. “We can benefit from previous economic decisions. There have been correct ones in the past … Rachid Mohamed Rachid [Mubarak’s minister of trade] understood very well how to attract foreign investment.”
What Malek failed to mention is that Rachid fled to Dubai after the ouster of Mubarak and has since been convicted in absentia of squandering public funds and embezzlement.
Rachid worked to privatize Egyptian industries, reduce taxes and subsidies, and defang unions. This economic model, adopted at the urging of the IMF and international financial institutions, delivered strong economic growth — nearly 6 percent a year from 2004 to 2009 — but also generated inequality. The gains were concentrated in the hands of Egypt’s economic elite, while millions of working-class Egyptians saw their wages stagnate, as rising food prices pushed many to the brink.
This pressure inaugurated a wave of strikes, which were a key component in the uprising that toppled the Mubarak regime last spring. Since Mubarak’s ouster, however, the Brotherhood has taken a hostile line against trade unions. When a wave of strikes rocked Egypt last September, the Brothers sided with business interests and the ruling military junta against the unions.
“The Brothers have been against wildcat strikes and all significant labor actions,” says Zeinab Abdul-Magd, an Egyptian academic and leftists activist. “The Brothers just don’t relate to workers.”
The Brothers do run a number of impressive charity organizations for Egypt’s poor, and during holidays the Brotherhood offers subsidized meat to the poor. The Brotherhood’s candidates won big in last month’s parliamentary elections preaching social justice and promising relief to Egypt’s increasingly impoverished population.
But when it comes to specific policy proposals that could help Egypt’s millions of families who struggle to afford food, the Brothers employ what Shadi Hamid at Brookings calls “strategic ambiguity.”
“Their approach is to be everything to everyone all at once,” but in reality, Hamid says the leaders of the Brotherhood are “not in touch with the shockingly high levels of poverty on the grass-roots level.”
With Egypt facing a looming financial crisis — with rising unemployment and diminishing currency reserves — the real priorities of the Brotherhood will be tested. Despite Islam’s prohibition on interest, the leaders of the FJP have already met with representatives of the IMF who are offering over $3 billion in loans to ease Egypt’s financial burden.
It will be weeks before the new parliament takes any concrete steps to reform Egypt’s economy. But George Ishak, the co-founder of the Free Egyptian Party, a moderate liberal party that only managed to win one seat in the parliament, expressed skepticism that the Muslim Brotherhood would break with the past. “There’s a danger they will continue with the Mubarak policies.”
When asked what he would do differently Ishak responded, “I think we need to focus not just on growth, but instead think about the quality of growth … we need to think about redistribution.”
But that’s not what the Muslim Brotherhood is thinking about.
Avi Asher-Schapiro is a writer living in Cairo.
moreluck
golden ticket member
[h=2]Pakistan: Woman Axed To Death To Cleanse Family “Honor”…[/h]
Don’t forget, “honor” killings have nothing to do with Islam.
Don’t forget, “honor” killings have nothing to do with Islam.
MUZAFFARGARH: Allah Bachaya has surrendered himself to Rohilanwali police after killing his sister in the name of honour but he is confident that he will be released in a matter of days.
Bachaya gave his arrest on Saturday after killing Alina in an axe attack for alleged loose morals.
He told The Express Tribune that he was certain his brother-in-law would withdraw the case as it was a matter of family’s honour. “I have killed her because she brought disgrace to the family’s name,” Bachaya said.
“She had become a nuisance. I feel no remorse over my actions. I am backed by the family. They were in favour of my decision to kill her,” he said.
Bachaya said Alina* had eloped more than once with [different] men from the neighbourhood. On Saturday, he said, she had returned home after spending three days with a man.
Alina, 25, was married to Muhammad Akhtar. The couple had three children
Bachaya gave his arrest on Saturday after killing Alina in an axe attack for alleged loose morals.
He told The Express Tribune that he was certain his brother-in-law would withdraw the case as it was a matter of family’s honour. “I have killed her because she brought disgrace to the family’s name,” Bachaya said.
“She had become a nuisance. I feel no remorse over my actions. I am backed by the family. They were in favour of my decision to kill her,” he said.
Bachaya said Alina* had eloped more than once with [different] men from the neighbourhood. On Saturday, he said, she had returned home after spending three days with a man.
Alina, 25, was married to Muhammad Akhtar. The couple had three children
texan
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MOGADISHU (Sh.M.Network)- Al-Shabab militants in the south-central Somali town of Masagaway have beheaded three people
in what is believed to the largest mass execution carried out in Somalia by the Al-Qaida-linked group for months.
According to the residents, Al-shabab fighters have beheaded Friday three Somali teenagers in southern Somalia town
of Masagway located in between Galgadud and Lower Shabelle region for suspicion of being
spying for the Transitional Federal Government.
Reports say, two of the killed young boys were their bodies found this morning in the town
with bullet wounds while the other one was believed to have been beheaded.
Al- shabab beheads three civilians in southern Somalia - Shabelle
in what is believed to the largest mass execution carried out in Somalia by the Al-Qaida-linked group for months.
According to the residents, Al-shabab fighters have beheaded Friday three Somali teenagers in southern Somalia town
of Masagway located in between Galgadud and Lower Shabelle region for suspicion of being
spying for the Transitional Federal Government.
Reports say, two of the killed young boys were their bodies found this morning in the town
with bullet wounds while the other one was believed to have been beheaded.
Al- shabab beheads three civilians in southern Somalia - Shabelle
texan
Well-Known Member
MOSCOW - Four Russian servicemen and five Islamist rebels were killed Friday in a clash in the North Caucasus region of Dagestan, one of the deadliest outbreaks of violence there in months, officials said. “The active phase of the battle is over,” a local security official told the Interfax news agency, adding that three Russian servicemen had also been injured in the fighting. Russia has been keen to contain violence along its restless southern periphery since concluding the second of two post-Soviet wars in Dagestan’s neighbour Chechnya a decade ago. But attacks continue throughout the region, with gunmen cutting the throat of a Russian serviceman in a rare night time attack on a grammar school in the nearby region of Kabardino-Balkaria on Thursday.
4 Russians, 5 rebels killed in Dagestan | Pakistan Today | Latest news, Breaking news, Pakistan News, World news, business, sport and multimedia
moreluck
golden ticket member
moreluck
golden ticket member
Tweeting is for infidels.......
Saudi Arabia’s Grand Mufti Warns Muslims Not To Use Twitter, Says It’s Full of Lies…
Saudi Arabia’s Grand Mufti Warns Muslims Not To Use Twitter, Says It’s Full of Lies…
