The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming!

[MAKAVELI]

Missiles still take time, and short strike distances also imply the ability to move an invasion force up to that line.

Ukraine is absoultely essential as neutral buffer territory for us to not freak out about Putin, or for Putin to freak out about us.

It has to be neutral.

We overthrew the Ukrainian government so we could put troops, bases, and missiles there. Putin didn't like that.

Everyone with half a brain knew what comes next.

Ukraine has to be what Ukraine wants to be. That's what free sovereign Nations do.

 

[Non sequitur]

Your so simple

 

[floridays]

And yet, reliability and targeting weren't any comfort to us then.

They could hit us from Cuba in that time frame, and we found it unacceptable. Our pentagon considered it so dangerous we formally considered false flag operations to kill our own guys, blame it on cuba, etc. so we could invade. Then there were our actual attempts plus the actual cuban missile crisis.

Cuba is twice as far from DC as Kiev is from Moscow.

If you are going to be disingenuous I won't waste my time with you.

Reliability and targeting did not exist then compared to today.

I'm in real time, not Cuban missle crisis days.

The fact is Ukraine has no agressive notions for Moscow.

The short in Moscow has displayed his agression and needs to be extinguished.

 

[wilberforce15]

If you are going to be disingenuous I won't waste my time with you.

Reliability and targeting did not exist then compared to today.

I'm in real time, not Cuban missle crisis days.

The fact is Ukraine has no agressive notions for Moscow.

The short in Moscow has displayed his agression and needs to be extinguished.

The United States does, and we were in the process of making Ukraine our puppet state

 

[wilberforce15]

Ukraine has to be what Ukraine wants to be. That's what free sovereign Nations do.

The Ukraine is a random collection of a dozen peoples who happen to be trapped in artificial borders, 1/3 of whom speak native Russian.

 

[MAKAVELI]

The Ukraine is a random collection of a dozen peoples who happen to be trapped in artificial borders, 1/3 of whom speak native Russian.

They are a sovereign Nation just like the US. We speak English here does that make us a part of Britain?

 

[floridays]

The United States does, and we were in the process of making Ukraine our puppet state

If that was the case we would have lit his ass up when he crossed the border.

 

[floridays]

The Ukraine is a random collection of a dozen peoples who happen to be trapped in artificial borders, 1/3 of whom speak native Russian.

Explain how the borders are artificial.

 

[Non sequitur]

Khrushchev artificially expanded the Ukrainian map by adding Donbass and Crimea which were formally Russian territory.

 

[Non sequitur]

The president of the Ukraine is either a puppet for the West or a puppet for Putin. Sounds pretty screwed up to me. Putin is emboldened because the only thing America seems to care about is being woke. We have no idea because the woke crowd has essentially destroyed our identity

 

[wilberforce15]

Explain how the borders are artificial.

Parts of Ukraine were owned by Poland, Romania, and Czechoslavkia in the early 20th Its current borders were largely a creation of Stalin as he brought it into unity with Greater Russia.

"The Ukraine" was a region. Ukraine became a country, only in 1991. It had a Putin Puppet. We displaced him with a NATO Puppet. It's always warred over, artificial, divided by language, and that's just for one century. Do you want 20 more centuries?

 

[wilberforce15]

If that was the case we would have lit his ass up when he crossed the border.

We had not fully made it a puppet state yet. That's why he invaded now, before we could make it NATO.

Then, we would've fought.

 

[floridays]

Do you want 20 more centuries?

Yes, I do.
I've done a little research of my own.

You asked the question, I responded.
Get busy, you're on the clock.

 

[floridays]

We had not fully made it a puppet state yet. That's why he invaded now, before we could make it NATO.

Then, we would've fought.

If that was our original desire no better reason to lite his ass up when he invaded.
It's called plausible deniability when intent is questioned.

 

[wilberforce15]

Yes, I do.
I've done a little research of my own.

You asked the question, I responded.
Get busy, you're on the clock.

The world is at your fingertips, and you're too lazy to use them.

 

[wilberforce15]

If that was our original desire no better reason to lite his ass up when he invaded.
It's called plausible deniability when intent is questioned.

At this point, only the willfully ignorant question our purpose or desire to bring Ukraine into NATO for the purpose of putting bases closer to Moscow than the USSR did in Cuba for us.

It gets tiresome educating children.

 

[MAKAVELI]

Parts of Ukraine were owned by Poland, Romania, and Czechoslavkia in the early 20th Its current borders were largely a creation of Stalin as he brought it into unity with Greater Russia.

"The Ukraine" was a region. Ukraine became a country, only in 1991. It had a Putin Puppet. We displaced him with a NATO Puppet. It's always warred over, artificial, divided by language, and that's just for one century. Do you want 20 more centuries?

Parts of the US were owned by Mexico, France, and Spain. None of them are invading us and bombing us.

 

[wilberforce15]

Parts of the US were owned by Mexico, France, and Spain. None of them are invading us and bombing us.

Correct. But until the last generation, we had a pretty identifiable common heritage and common language. We were an actual country with a natural, actual history, and many generations separated from any of that European ownership of the land.

A boy born in Ukraine might grow up speaking Russian in the USSR, still speak Russian, and be under the USSR, a Putin puppet, a US puppet, and then be asked who he is. Same guy. Same house. Same place. Totally different country. He can't even talk to the guy on the other side of his country. And yet they're supposed to be the same people, because Stalin drew the line.

 

[MAKAVELI]

Correct. But until the last generation, we had a pretty identifiable common heritage and common language. We were an actual country with a natural, actual history, and many generations separated from any of that European ownership of the land.

A boy born in Ukraine might grow up speaking Russian in the USSR, still speak Russian, and be under the USSR, a Putin puppet, a US puppet, and then be asked who he is. Same guy. Same house. Same place. Totally different country. He can't even talk to the guy on the other side of his country. And yet they're supposed to be the same people, because Stalin drew the line.

The people of Ukraine drew the line in 1991. That is the only line we recognize.

 

[wilberforce15]

And that doesn't even mention the 10,000 dead Ukrainians killed by constant military bombardment of fellow Ukrainians, because Ukraine is fictional and they all know it. That's why Ukraine was bombing Ukraine for the last decade.