Unlikely. Nato expanded its reach to the world after russia collapsed
The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming!
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Russia didn't collapse. The Soviet Union collapsed. Name the countries that NATO attacked?
I just listed 4 lol
It wasn't NATO genius.
wilberforce15
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I didn't say that I disbelieved that 50 people died in a train station. I'm saying you don't know who they were, who fired, who wrote what on the alleged missile remains, or anything else. And that's the same as knowing nothing.
wilberforce15
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Ukraine.
wilberforce15
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I'm the guy who didn't want to topple their elected government, remember?
If you think Russia invaded with almost 200,000 troops, and brought in tanks and fighter jets and missiles, and completely destroyed the city of Mariupol, causing over 5000 civilian deaths in that city alone, and has been repeatedly shown on video firing at civilian apartment buildings with its tanks in numerous cities, as well as missile strikes that it has and Ukraine doesn't, if you still think that it's possible that all that was possibly done by Ukraine to just make Russia look bad, and that we're all being manipulated to the point we don't really know who the bad guy is, you're out of your mind.
wilberforce15
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Ukraine is acting like Palestinians, mixing their armor and troops into civilian positions so that any strike by the opposition can be claimed to be targeting civilians.
The Ukrainians are hiding their soldiers behind women and children, and then crying foul when they are shot. It's a tale as old as time.
I don't know who fired the missile, why, who was there (besides kids), what armament was there, or anything else. And neither do you.
You mean the Putin puppet government that the Ukrainians rose up against? It may have been elected legally, but people soon realized the new president was in Putin's pocket. The Ukrainians don't want to be controlled by Russia, period.
Babagounj
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Russian forces stole radioactive substances from Chernobyl
Moscow's forces seized the defunct nuclear plant on the first day of their invasion of Ukraine on February 24, before retreating on March 31.
- The agency said that the Russian soldiers pillaged two laboratories in the area
- They stole 133 highly radioactive substances from the Ecocentre research base
- 'Even a small part of this activity is deadly if handled unprofessionally,' the agency said.
Earlier this week Ukraine's energy minister German Gulashchenko said Russian soldiers exposed themselves to a 'shocking' amount of nuclear radiation, saying some of them may have less than a year to live.
'They dug bare soil contaminated with radiation, collected radioactive sand in bags for fortification, breathed this dust,' Gulashchenko said on Facebook on Friday after visiting the exclusion zone
wilberforce15
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Lusitania - Definition, Sinking & WWI
On May 7, 1915, less than a year after World War I (1914-18) began in Europe, a German U-boat torpedoed and sank the RMS Lusitania, a British ocean liner en route from New York to Liverpool, England. More than 1,100 crew and passengers died, including more than 120 Americans.
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We do this, too. This is what war is.
This is what war is for everyone.
We cried about the sinking of the civilian Lusitania as barbarism forever. Many still cry about it.
The Lusitania was carrying 173 tons of war material. It was a legitimate target. THE UNITED STATES made sure it was full of women and children so we could cry about it when it was sunk.
Welcome to war.
We do it. Russia does it. Ukraine does it. Palestine does it.
Everybody does it.
Yah, when the Russian tanks fired at the 10th floor of all those apartment buildings they were really aiming at the Ukrainian armor hidden there. You should stick to defending Tesla. And in case you haven't noticed the Ukrainians are attacking Russian positions and have caused them to retreat. Hardly seems like hiding behind women and children.
wilberforce15
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We put women and babies on the Lusitania to smuggle 173 tons of war material.
We then used those women and babies as reasons to call out barbarism and enter the war.
WE did that. Yes?
The odds that Russians were receiving fire from that apartment building is roughly 100%.
wilberforce15
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A foreign-orchestrated coup is an act of war.
You support coup as justified, but then you also want to say it's not a coup.
The only former communist country I recall NATO attacking was Serbia in the 90's.
The people rose up peacefully. Just how many people died in that coup? And why is it ok for Putin to control another country's president but not ok to boot that president out?
wilberforce15
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The people "rose up peacefully" with CIA orchestration.
I didn't say it was okay for Putin to invade.
wilberforce15
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I'd really love to know why you think the US would use a thousand women and babies as human shields to smuggle 173 tons of war material, and a pretext to enter war when attacked, but that Ukraine is as pure as the driven snow.
So what you're saying is it's ok to come in with almost 200,000 troops and tanks and the Ukrainians must stand up and face them in the open and just take it. When has urban warfare ever been like that?
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