The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming!

[vantexan]

The people "rose up peacefully" with CIA orchestration.

I didn't say it was okay for Putin to invade.

Yah, because it never entered their minds to rise up until the CIA got involved. Right.

 

[wilberforce15]

So what you're saying is it's ok to come in with almost 200,000 troops and tanks and the Ukrainians must stand up and face them in the open and just take it. When has urban warfare ever been like that?

I didn't say ANYTHING was okay. You are out of your mind or making things up.

I didn't say Ukraine was wrong to defend itself. I didn't say Russia was right to invade. I didn't say anything of the kind. You are writing fiction here.

I said believing Ukrainian propaganda makes you a maroon. Using human shields and blaming the enemy for barbarism is a very old, very tired, very universal tactic.

Get over it. We did it. They do it. Everyone does it.

 

[wilberforce15]

Yah, because it never entered their minds to rise up until the CIA got involved. Right.

I didn't say that either. You are only responding to things I didn't say.

 

[vantexan]

I'd really love to know why you think the US would use a thousand women and babies as human shields to smuggle 173 tons of war material, and a pretext to enter war when attacked, but that Ukraine is as pure as the driven snow.

How would the Germans know there was 173 tons of war material on the Lusitania?

 

[vantexan]

I didn't say ANYTHING was okay. You are out of your mind or making things up.

I didn't say Ukraine was wrong to defend itself. I didn't say Russia was right to invade. I didn't say anything of the kind. You are writing fiction here.

I said believing Ukrainian propaganda makes you a maroon. Using human shields and blaming the enemy for barbarism is a very old, very tired, very universal tactic.

Get over it. We did it. They do it. Everyone does it.

You're defending Russia and have been since the start.

 

[vantexan]

I didn't say that either. You are only responding to things I didn't say.

You said it was orchestrated by the CIA.

 

[wilberforce15]

How would the Germans know there was 173 tons of war material on the Lusitania?

Because they are smart and know things?

This isn't hard. Everybody knew there were tons of war material on there. That's why they sunk it.

Other people aren't stupid and blind. They see things. Everybody knew we were involved, and this was how.

You have way to high of a view of humanity. Every single side will do this.

 

[wilberforce15]

You're defending Russia and have been since the start.

Nope. Putin is a thug and a murderer, and I don't want to live in any place he is in charge.

 

[vantexan]

Nope. Putin is a thug and a murderer, and I don't want to live in any place he is in charge.

Backtracker.

 

[wilberforce15]

You said it was orchestrated by the CIA.

It was. And the sentiment for it already existed without CIA involvement. But CIA help to make it succeed was clear. This is so....not hard.

 

[wilberforce15]

Backtracker.

Dude, you can't even read.

 

[vantexan]

Because they are smart and know things?

This isn't hard. Everybody knew there were tons of war material on there. That's why they sunk it.

Other people aren't stupid and blind. They see things. Everybody knew we were involved, and this was how.

You have way to high of a view of humanity. Every single side will do this.

How does everyone know? Did they put a neon sign on it?

 

[wilberforce15]

This isn't even like the 10th thing you learn in War College. it's like the first.

The first battle is rhetoric. And getting your own civilians killed puts you at the top of the rhetoric pyramid. It's a goal. It's intentional.

 

[vantexan]

Dude, you can't even read.

Dude, you're CYAing after defending Russia's actions. Trying to shift blame onto the Ukrainians.

 

[wilberforce15]

How does everyone know? Did they put a neon sign on it?

Yes. Actually. We clearly had a side. We were sending very large ships. Material was showing up without explanation.

If you can add 1+1, you can sink the Lusitania and be right about the war material. Good grief.

 

[vantexan]

This isn't even like the 10th thing you learn in War College. it's like the first.

The first battle is rhetoric. And getting your own civilians killed puts you at the top of the rhetoric pyramid. It's a goal. It's intentional.

I'm sure it is. Wait, how do you know? Did you see a news report?

 

[wilberforce15]

Dude, you're CYAing after defending Russia's actions. Trying to shift blame onto the Ukrainians.

Fiction. Absolute fiction.

Putin is a thug and a murderer and I don't really like the invasion.

Ukraine is full of atrocious propaganda and human shields and lies. They're also defending their home, sort of. At least the folks on the western half.

Life is complicated. Get over it.

 

[wilberforce15]

I'm sure it is. Wait, how do you know? Did you see a news report?

A news report would be unreliable.

Really cool information is stored in secret compartments available only to the literate. They're called books.

 

[wilberforce15]

Do you think it was random luck that the enemy was right about the Lusitania?

And we just happened to be using women and children as shields on that exact ship?

 

[vantexan]

A news report would be unreliable.

Really cool information is stored in secret compartments available only to the literate. They're called books.

You should try reading them. Otherwise they're paper weights.