The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming!

[vantexan]

So why would Ukraine put fighting men and material in those apartments?

How do you know they did?

 

[wilberforce15]

We had a "coalition of the willing" who went into Afghanistan. Not NATO. By the way under Article 5 of the NATO charter an attack on one member is an attack on all. 9/11 would certainly qualify.

It's a good thing there is a lot less terrorism and radical in Afghanistan now.

I feel so much better.

 

[rickyb]

We had a "coalition of the willing" who went into Afghanistan. Not NATO. By the way under Article 5 of the NATO charter an attack on one member is an attack on all. 9/11 would certainly qualify.

Maybe u deserved it

 

[rickyb]

It's a good thing there is a lot less terrorism and radical in Afghanistan now.

I feel so much better.

Mission accomplished

 

[vantexan]

The old question of who benefits is a helpful guide, here.

Ukraine has more to gain from headlines of slaughtered civilians than Russia has to gain from actually slaughtering them.

Therefore, suspicion and skepticism is the only correct take.

No, it's the take of those who favor one side over the other. We have plenty of video of Russian tanks shelling apartments. We don't have even an inkling that Ukraine is killing their own to make Russia look bad. Conspiracy theory.

 

[wilberforce15]

How do you know they did?

You said they did. You literally said Russians shouldn't care about or aren't responding to people firing from apartment windows, as if that's not a legitimate combatant to kill.

These buildings are being used for their rhetorical value. I've proven it to any reasonable observer. You're just in BoomerDenial at learning your country uses more human shields than Palestinians do.

 

[vantexan]

Maybe u deserved it

Exactly what did we do to Afghanistan before 9/11 that would deserve killing 3000 civilians? Apparently you've never heard of Muslim extremists.

 

[wilberforce15]

No, it's the take of those who favor one side over the other. We have plenty of video of Russian tanks shelling apartments. We don't have even an inkling that Ukraine is killing their own to make Russia look bad. Conspiracy theory.

I have never said Ukraine killing their own. I have never denied Russians shelling apartments.

Of course Russians are shelling apartments and killing lots of civilians. They're also killing lots of fighting men and destroying fighting material stored in those buildings.

Ukraine put those things there so that they could have headlines about dead civilians.

 

[rickyb]

Exactly what did we do to Afghanistan before 9/11 that would deserve killing 3000 civilians? Apparently you've never heard of Muslim extremists.

bad joke. but actually u did to afghanistan wat ur doing to ukraine now

 

[wilberforce15]

It should be evident now that you're not even reading. You literally thought I was saying Ukraine was killing their own people.

I never said any such thing, and after pages of explaining it to you, you still live in a fictional land you concocted where I said these things.

 

[vantexan]

You said they did. You literally said Russians shouldn't care about or aren't responding to people firing from apartment windows, as if that's not a legitimate combatant to kill.

These buildings are being used for their rhetorical value. I've proven it to any reasonable observer. You're just in BoomerDenial at learning your country uses more human shields than Palestinians do.

I don't know if that happened. If it did why were Russian troops in that neighborhood to begin with? Ohhhh, that's right, the Russians have the right to invade, to dominate their neighbors. The Ukrainians are just manipulating us. They've got armored vehicles hiding in apartment buildings. The Russians better take out the whole building to get at those armored vehicles hiding in back on the ground. Civilians? Who cares? And this is the first time the Russians ever did anything like this. Aleppo? Syrians lying. Grozny? Those damn lying Chechens. Russians are just too nice. Heck, back in the Soviet days it wasn't Russian troops rolling over Hungary. They didn't crush Czechoslovakia. The Russians are sweethearts!

 

[vantexan]

bad joke. but actually u did to afghanistan wat ur doing to ukraine now

No we didn't.

 

[vantexan]

It's a good thing there is a lot less terrorism and radical in Afghanistan now.

I feel so much better.

If the Afghans weren't willing to stand up to the Taliban why should we?

 

[wilberforce15]

If the Afghans weren't willing to stand up to the Taliban why should we?

Exactly.

More useless NATO aggression making problems worse.

 

[wilberforce15]

I don't know if that happened. If it did why were Russian troops in that neighborhood to begin with? Ohhhh, that's right, the Russians have the right to invade, to dominate their neighbors. The Ukrainians are just manipulating us. They've got armored vehicles hiding in apartment buildings. The Russians better take out the whole building to get at those armored vehicles hiding in back on the ground. Civilians? Who cares? And this is the first time the Russians ever did anything like this. Aleppo? Syrians lying. Grozny? Those damn lying Chechens. Russians are just too nice. Heck, back in the Soviet days it wasn't Russian troops rolling over Hungary. They didn't crush Czechoslovakia. The Russians are sweethearts!

I already said the invasion was bad.

I'm saying it's not a war crime to shoot a building full of fighting men and material.

And that Ukraine put that stuff there to get headlines for propaganda and generating more Western support. It worked on you.

Putin is bad bad bad. Putin shouldn't be there. They're wrong to invade. I don't care if people shoot them. Happy?

 

[wilberforce15]

I'm happy that I've gotten him to admit armored vehicles hidden parked in apartment buildings that Russians attack.

That's it right there.

Ukraine using human shields, by his own admission.

We are done here.

 

[vantexan]

So why would Ukraine put fighting men and material in those apartments?

You are saying the Ukrainians are putting people in a position to be killed to get headlines leading to sympathy and support. Essentially intentionally killing their own people. And you've already said that we have no way of knowing if the Russians were behind bombing that train station. Suggesting the Ukrainians could be behind it for, you guessed it, sympathy and support. Right.

 

[wilberforce15]

You are saying the Ukrainians are putting people in a position to be killed to get headlines leading to sympathy and support. Essentially intentionally killing their own people. And you've already said that we have no way of knowing if the Russians were behind bombing that train station. Suggesting the Ukrainians could be behind it for, you guessed it, sympathy and support. Right.

You're saying that the Ukrainians put fighting men and material into civilian buildings.

That's enough for me.

Case is closed.

There is only one reason for them to do that.

 

[rickyb]

Heard a few ppl this situation similar to ww1 kicking off

Ww2 had a depression which preceded it

 

[vantexan]

I already said the invasion was bad.

I'm saying it's not a war crime to shoot a building full of fighting men and material.

And that Ukraine put that stuff there to get headlines for propaganda and generating more Western support. It worked on you.

Putin is bad bad bad. Putin shouldn't be there. They're wrong to invade. I don't care if people shoot them. Happy?

You don't know the buildings were full of fighting men. But every man in the country between 18 and 60 is a fighting man so I guess in your estimation that makes it ok to attack civilian neighborhoods. I suppose the hundreds of civilians dead on the streets after the Russians retreated were all Ukrainian soldiers? Were they told to ride their bicycles around so the Russians would shoot at them and get headlines? Hey, anything for the cause, right?